Spoilers...Avengers: Infinity War Spoilers Thread

[photon]

The only problem I really had is a result of them adapting Thanos' motivation from the comics. I realize why they did it, it made Thanos more human and relatable, but his actions related to the comic motivation made more sense.

I mean if Thanos can kill half of the people because of scarcity of resources, why not just double the resources? Or restructure things so resources aren't ever a problem?

And it's not like people won't just procreate more, so his solution is temporary at best.

(His motivation in the comics is to impress a girl)

[Nadal Fan]

Thanos clearly studied economics from Malthus, it's too bad he didn't keep studying economics he would have learned that his solution was unnecessary and innovation always comes to increase food production to feed increasing populations.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by photon

The only problem I really had is a result of them adapting Thanos' motivation from the comics. I realize why they did it, it made Thanos more human and relatable, but his actions related to the comic motivation made more sense.

I mean if Thanos can kill half of the people because of scarcity of resources, why not just double the resources? Or restructure things so resources aren't ever a problem?

And it's not like people won't just procreate more, so his solution is temporary at best.

(His motivation in the comics is to impress a girl)

Well Thanos specifically stated that the universe has finite resources, and as powerful as the gauntlet is maybe it still has to abide by the laws of thermodynamics

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by photon

The only problem I really had is a result of them adapting Thanos' motivation from the comics. I realize why they did it, it made Thanos more human and relatable, but his actions related to the comic motivation made more sense.

It's very close to his comic motivations, they just cut out the part about his relationship with Death.

From Silver Surfer #35, written by Jim Starlin, released about one year before The Infinity Gauntlet comic.



In the miniseries he's all about impressing Death after he acquired the Infinity Gauntlet in order to do her original bidding. But he first starts down the path as a servant of Death and espousing on the limited resources and longer lifespans and so on.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by photon

The only problem I really had is a result of them adapting Thanos' motivation from the comics. I realize why they did it, it made Thanos more human and relatable, but his actions related to the comic motivation made more sense.

(His motivation in the comics is to impress a girl)

It's funny. One thing I really wanted going into the movie was for Thanos to be trying to court death as his motivation but after watching the movie I am happy they didn't.

I'm not sure that story with courting death would have translated well to film. But this backstory, and the story around his actual love for his daughter Gamora, really worked in the universe that they have built.

Would be interesting if they did end up going a "Multiverse" route in a Standalone Dr. Strange movie and he comes across a Thanos who had the same end game of collecting all the infinity stones but his reasoning was due to his love for death.

So different universe, different motivation, same fate.

They planted a bit of the seed of a potential multiverse in the first Dr.Strange. http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia...iki/Multiverse

[blankall]

^^^

I agree. I don't think the character of death would have translated well to the screen. It's pretty abstract and would have turned into a CGI mess. It's also not really in line with the existing cinematic universe. The existing MCU focuses more on "reality" and tends to come up with more scientific and grounded versions of characters.

The on screen character was pretty different from the comics Thanos in attitude too. He wasn't nearly as "mad". I don't think he grinned once in the movie. That being said, the on screen Thanos definitely worked.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by blankall

I agree. I don't think the character of death would have translated well to the screen. It's pretty abstract and would have turned into a CGI mess. It's also not really in line with the existing cinematic universe..

Personally, I thought that's why they introduced Hela in the Thor film. It felt like the perfect setup for me. Rather than being the personification of death, it was the Goddess of Death. They could have easily adapted her to fill the role, and add a bit of depth to the stable of villains in the Marvel films.

[photon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm not sure that story with courting death would have translated well to film. But this backstory, and the story around his actual love for his daughter Gamora, really worked in the universe that they have built.

Yup, it would still have been a good movie, but "the bad guy wanted to kill half the universe to gain back his girlfriend, who is also Death" wouldn't have been as effective I don't think.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Personally, I thought that's why they introduced Hela in the Thor film. It felt like the perfect setup for me. Rather than being the personification of death, it was the Goddess of Death. They could have easily adapted her to fill the role, and add a bit of depth to the stable of villains in the Marvel films.

That's actually kind of interesting. It would definitely have provided another layer of cohesiveness to the films. It would definitely have given Thor/Loki another reason to hate Thanos, as he have been trying to get with their sister. It might have put too much focus on the Asgardian plot and made Thor: Ragnarok too essential viewing.

I do like the idea overall though.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Involving Hela would have cheapened Thanos and his motivations. They needed a strong villain and a strong character. Bringing up a previously never mentioned association would have made it seem like a cheap afterthought.

Thanos’ motivations needed to be his own. You can’t have the main villain who has been pumped up for 10 years turn out to just be a lackey, which is how it would have been perceived if they’d have made it about Hela.

[Coach]

Thanos is still around. I’m thinking Hela is somewhere. There can always be a look into that whole thing, as I had thought they may blend those characters as well. This is the patience we were talking about. Why jam a love interest motivator when he doesn’t need one? The idea of a titan on a mission to mercifully eliminate half the universe is way more scary that someone motivated by love.

[GGG]

Contains comic book spoilers and speculation based on comics.

Spoiler!

So where do we think Thanos is at the end of the movie?

In the comics they have the inside of the Soul Gem as a Paradise for the person trapped inside. In the movie, Thanos, flashes into the Soul realm when Child Gamora asks him what it cost him, Then it flashes to his farm. His body was damaged by the God killing Axe so does he still exist in the corporeal world?

This could give Nebula the opportunity to steel the Gauntlet from Thanos' body and become the Villian in 4 where Thanos is rescued from the Soul Gem to help defeat Nebula.

So loosely incorporating some of the main themes of the comics as Thanos as a Villian almost doesn't make sense given his motivations.

I also liked Red Skull looking like death as a bit of a shout out to the death theme from the comics.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Thanos was just on a planet resting. They even had the scarecrow wearing his armour.

I’d guess part 2 will share very little with the IG comic. Definitely don’t see Nebula becoming a villain.

[puffnstuff]

That was a great movie.
So I am assuming Dr Strange saw the one succesful outcome, and it involved giving up the time stone. Previously he made a point of telling them that he would protect it above all else, meaning Stark and Spiderman. And then he just gave it up to save Stark. I think he also stood by and watched Quill go after Thanos when they almost had the gauntlet off of him, when he could have stopped Quill.
I dont know any of the comic book story but that was what I noticed, no idea how they undo whats been done.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

That was a great movie.
So I am assuming Dr Strange saw the one succesful outcome, and it involved giving up the time stone. Previously he made a point of telling them that he would protect it above all else, meaning Stark and Spiderman. And then he just gave it up to save Stark. I think he also stood by and watched Quill go after Thanos when they almost had the gauntlet off of him, when he could have stopped Quill.
I dont know any of the comic book story but that was what I noticed, no idea how they undo whats been done.

I won’t spoil the comic for anyone but at this point it’s safe to say very little will be in the next movie that relates to the IG comic. Not only did they only take a few beats and put them in the movie, quite masterfully I might add, but the story has diverged far enough I’d be shocked if any of the resolution from the comic is used in the movie.

The things you pointed out, I think, are bang on. I posted something similar a page or two back.


These points tie into something I’ve been meaning to mention. IW borrows liberally from quite a bit of source material but does so in a way that pays homage to the source but is far from a direct adaptation.

The thing with most movies that borrow from source material and don’t do them justice is that it ruins it in a couple of ways. First off it pisses off fans of the source material by screwing with it. And second it means that no future adaptation of the source material that’s going to do it right will be possible because someone else already ####ed around with it.

A great example of this would be Batman v Superman. Zack Snyder pissed all over Frank Miller’s legacy and the dark Knight returns. It was shameful the way that he very poorly borrowed from the source material (ripped off is probably more accurate), had no respect for it and didn’t do it any justice. And now that some of it has been done on the big screen if anyone wanted to make an actual adaptation of the dark Knight returns it would just seem derivative of Zack Snyder’s ####ty Batman v Superman movie.

This is where Marvel has hit it out of the ballpark. The things that they borrowed from infinity gauntlet and other properties that focus on Thanos and the infinity stones was done in such a way that someone could still read the source material and enjoy it, not to mention made fans extremely happy because they recognized all of the Easter eggs and callbacks.

Both Spiderman franchises were also very guilty of this. They did a terrible job of adapting a number of story lines from the comic books and really just ended up bastardizing them and pissing off fans.

I’m incredibly impressed with how well Marvel has honored their source material and how well they’ve adapted it into the MCU. Almost no one complains that the source material wasn’t adapted directly and instead appreciates the respect and quality of the film adaptation that was done.

[GreenLantern]

I feel like Thanos was so committed to his vision he lost sight of what it really meant. It wasn't even about saving the universe anymore or trying to rationalize his actions, it was just about achieving the goal he had set out to do and that he had sacrificed SO much to get to. You can see this in the final scene when he just sits down like Ahh, I did it.. but didn't really even care what IT was. You can also see it in the scene where he gets the Soulstone, he has to kill his daughter who may hate him, but he loves her. It's on his face, "Ahhhhh come on, really? Well I'm this deep already.."

It's like that quote from Jurassic Park, Thanos was so obsessed with whether or not he COULD achieve this goal he never stopped to think if he SHOULD.

And I could be way out to lunch on this, but this is my take on it. This also reinforces just how great of a job they did with Thanos. I can't remember ever debating this much over a Marvel Villain. Well done.

Side note, I also just re watched Ultron today as I was jonesing for more Avengers. He was actually better than I remember as far as villains go, especially his evolution scenes. But just absolutely pales in comparison to the complexity of Thanos. Both CGI, both great actors behind the CGI... but Thanos >>>> Ultron.

This movie keeps getting compared to Empire Strikes Back and I think that is pretty accurate. I feel like the ending sequence of people fading to dust, the scene with Parker and Stark, just the silence and cut to black... that really hit people. It wasn't quite as shocking as I am your father but it still had a similar effect.

I kind of thought they would have one of the heroes end up being a Thanos double agent. A long play of deception that none of us saw coming that ended up being the culmination in Thanos achieving his goal.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

That was a great movie.
So I am assuming Dr Strange saw the one succesful outcome, and it involved giving up the time stone. Previously he made a point of telling them that he would protect it above all else, meaning Stark and Spiderman. And then he just gave it up to save Stark. I think he also stood by and watched Quill go after Thanos when they almost had the gauntlet off of him, when he could have stopped Quill.
I dont know any of the comic book story but that was what I noticed, no idea how they undo whats been done.

"All that for a drop of blood."

I think this line, and the fact Strange sacrificed himself and the time stone to save Stark, is important. No clue how or why.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

So the final numbers are in and they’re even higher than the early Sunday estimates.

$258m domestically. $641m internationally.

And Black Panther got a slight bump and finished 5th for the weekend with $4m and passed TLJ for worldwide gross with $1.333 billion.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I think I heard Ant Man is pre IW.

It is, i have a feeling the end of it or post credit might catch up to the end of IW (quantum realm messing with time) and leading ant mans involvment in A4

also first trailer comes out tomorrow for it

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Don’t we already have an Ant Man trailer? Or is that just a teaser?