Fire Dave Cameron

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

http://ottawasun.com/2016/04/12/sena...3-c3a5636f1577

Dug up this article when Cameron was fired.



I mean... his track record isn't great to begin with. Why is he getting such a long leash here in Calgary?

This sounds 100% like what is happening in Calgary this season.

Why was he even hired by Gulutzan in the first place?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why was he even hired by Gulutzan in the first place?

I think I remember hearing they had worked together before? Not sure if this would have been in Dallas or possibly the AHL though. Either way, it doesn't look good when your head coach makes a hire like this and they guy can't manage any prolonged success despite sucking elsewhere too.

[Shazam]

Sens didn't do much better the season after. Of course that could just mean Cameron's replacement was just as inept. Or maybe the players suck.

[Otto-matic]

Like its been mentioned before. The media is too soft on our team, they don't hold them to any accountability for their performances. Just soft ball questions and easy questions to dodge.

I missed Boomer and Rhett's segment today so I'm not sure if they roasted the PP. Not a peep from the rest though about the pp.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Like its been mentioned before. The media is too soft on our team, they don't hold them to any accountability for their performances. Just soft ball questions and easy questions to dodge.

I missed Boomer and Rhett's segment today so I'm not sure if they roasted the PP. Not a peep from the rest though about the pp.

They were disappointingly lenient towards it IMO.
Pinder now taking it to task a bit more in his interview with Wills. More so than earlier.

[Stanley]

I can't think of any instances where just 1 assistant coach was fired mid-season

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Sens didn't do much better the season after. Of course that could just mean Cameron's replacement was just as inept. Or maybe the players suck.

Didn’t they lose in game 7 of the ECF the year after Cameron?

They suck now but that is because Boucher is a 1 year coach as his resume in Tampa is almost identical

[BruceCody]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I can't think of any instances where just 1 assistant coach was fired mid-season

bingo. fire all of them

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Sens didn't do much better the season after. Of course that could just mean Cameron's replacement was just as inept. Or maybe the players suck.

The Sens made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs the season after Cameron was fired.

[kobasew19]

Call up Rasmus Andersson and his 100+mph clapper. Play 11 and 7. Sit Stajan, and double shift Tkachuk and Gaudreau with the Lazar and Lomberg.

Put Andersson at the point on the PP and let him one time the crap out of the puck.

Success.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why was he even hired by Gulutzan in the first place?

I don't recall but I don't feel like that was a GG hire.

Jerrard was the guy that came along with Gulutzan after working with him in Dallas and Vancouver orgs, and to his credit he seems to have figured things out this year.

After a slow start our defense and PK have been stingy. Since US Thanksgiving we have the 2nd best PK (87%) and the 5th fewest Goals Against (2.37 GA/G). Plus they were 12th for the entire season last year, so really the early season struggles were more of a blip than anything.

EDIT: Looked back and it looks like Gulutzan provided some names, and Treliving had some ideas and they went through the interview process together. So sounds like both are to blame.

Either way whoever's decision was to make him the PP coach was atrocious, and it was from the moment he was hired. Never had good PP results in his previous stops.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Sens made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs the season after Cameron was fired.

Sure, but their PP still sucked.

Sens nuked everyone that year. Might have to do something like that here.

[SuperMatt18]

Looking at it though this feels like a GG & Cameron problem.

Took a look at all the teams GG has been a coach of in the NHL and the PP is not pretty.

11/12: Dallas - 29th - 13.5%
12/13: Dallas - 18th - 17.0%
13/14: Vancouver - 26th - 15.2%
14/15: Vancouver - 10th - 19.3%
15/16: Vancouver - 26th - 15.8%

Cameron has similar issues. He spend 5 years as an assistant or head coach in the Ottawa organization.

In those 5 years:

11/12 to 15/16: 23rd - 17.2%

So really a big problem here is that the two coaches that are primarily responsible for our PP aren't very good at coaching it.

And looking back even though we finished 10th (20.2%) last year the PP was very streaky.

Start of season to Dec. 1: 30th @ 10.1%
Dec 1 to Feb 1: 1st @ 29%
Feb 1 to End of Season: 12th @ 20.7%

Which in terms of being very inconsistent is somewhat similar to this year.

Start of Season to Dec. 1: 11th @ 21.2%
Dec 1 to Feb 1: 30th @ 12.8%

Would be nice to have that hot streak to balance things out starting now, a two month run around 23-25% would go a long way to this team making the playoffs.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by BruceCody

bingo. fire all of them

I dont think Bingo has the authority to fire all of them. Ban them from CP he could probably handle!

[nemanja2306]

At this point, the main culprit behind the awful PP is Glen Gulutzan (and to some degree, Brad Treliving). It's not Cameron's fault he sucks, it's the people who keep him employed.

You are the HEAD coach. If something isn't working, you *****g change it!
It's painfully obvious that PP needs change.
He could:
A) Take over the PP himself
B) Give the PP to another assistant
C) With an agreement with the GM, fire Cameron and hire a new PP coach

They have done nothing.

If I suck at my job and I end up costing my company (money, assets...) and I don't get fired, it becomes the fault of my supervisor/boss. Why keep me employed?

[SuperMatt18]

Further to my note above around our PP's inconsistency there are some advanced stats that say the Flames PP is due for a bit of a hot streak.

We have the 8th worst GF/60 on the PP at 5.98 goals per 60 minutes. (Down from 7.05 with largely the same coach and units as last year)

But actually have the 8th best expected goals for per 60 in the league at 8.3 goals per 60 minutes. (Up from 6.64 last year - which was pretty close to what we actually did)

So the difference between what we are expected to have scored and what we have scored is somewhat substantial. There was a discussion on Twitter about it the other day among the fancy stats writers who were talking about the Flames PP struggles.

Personally I don't see it with the eye test - the results are bad and the PPs look bad. But I hope in this case the fancy stats are right and we are due for a bit of good luck to get our PP back on track.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Further to my note above around our PP's inconsistency there are some advanced stats that say the Flames PP is due for a bit of a hot streak.

We have the 8th worst GF/60 on the PP at 5.98 goals per 60 minutes. (Down from 7.05 with largely the same coach and units as last year)

But actually have the 8th best expected goals for per 60 in the league at 8.3 goals per 60 minutes. (Up from 6.64 last year - which was pretty close to what we actually did)

So the difference between what we are expected to have scored and what we have scored is somewhat substantial. There was a discussion on Twitter about it the other day among the fancy stats writers who were talking about the Flames PP struggles.

Personally I don't see it with the eye test - the results are bad and the PPs look bad. But I hope in this case the fancy stats are right and we are due for a bit of good luck to get our PP back on track.

Exactly. Using the eye test is what is most startling about the PP. It's not that they're snakebitten, it is generally just atrocious to watch. They pass the puck around the perimeter with no real urgency or danger. The take outside shots that get blocked constantly, or most alarmingly, they give the puck up and the other team comes down off the rush. It's almost sickening to watch how bad it truly is.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

http://ottawasun.com/2016/04/12/sena...3-c3a5636f1577

Dug up this article when Cameron was fired.



I mean... his track record isn't great to begin with. Why is he getting such a long leash here in Calgary?

This sounds 100% like what is happening in Calgary this season.

Uhhh so accurate it’s gross. I don’t like blaming one man for the PP issues but he doesn’t seem like a guy who can lead them out of their slump. Some teams don’t tolerate awfulness, others wait till it ungulfs them and ruins their season. Flames have proved to be the latter consistently over the past 3 decades.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

Call up Rasmus Andersson and his 100+mph clapper. Play 11 and 7. Sit Stajan, and double shift Tkachuk and Gaudreau with the Lazar and Lomberg.

Put Andersson at the point on the PP and let him one time the crap out of the puck.

Success.

NEVer will happen in a million years, this teamn never makes obvious adjustments, at least until the mistake has cost them 20 or so points.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And looking back even though we finished 10th (20.2%) last year the PP was very streaky.

Start of season to Dec. 1: 30th @ 10.1%
Dec 1 to Feb 1: 1st @ 29%
Feb 1 to End of Season: 12th @ 20.7%

Which in terms of being very inconsistent is somewhat similar to this year.

Start of Season to Dec. 1: 11th @ 21.2%
Dec 1 to Feb 1: 30th @ 12.8%

Would be nice to have that hot streak to balance things out starting now, a two month run around 23-25% would go a long way to this team making the playoffs.

December 1st is the Versteeg injury so that's a change to the powerplay and not being streaky.

I have a feeling the PP took off last year when Versteeg was moved to the point as well.

I don't love Dave Cameron, I'm ok if they get a new person or move roles around. But the team needs to determine how much of the issues are ...

a) not having the right bodies on the team
b) not being able to use what they have
c) an injury to a key person

Firing for the sake of firing is silly, and far too often called by fans. But its clear that the team cycles the puck around the perimeter too much and hasn't experimented with;

a) getting players on their off sides
b) using more of Dougie Hamilton with the big group

and given how badly the powerplay has gone that's insane to me.