UCP Leadership Election

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NDP it is in 2019

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Originally Posted by GaiJin

How about Notley desire to take over parenting from the parents?

Pont proven.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

How about Notley desire to take over parenting from the parents?

Western society did that the moment it decided to make education mandatory, maybe earlier.

[DiracSpike]

Fear mongering over Kenney is the only chance the NDP have, and it's a slim one. I can't wait to vote them out.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

How about Notley desire to take over parenting from the parents?

You mean by providing better social programs and support systems for families, parents and kids. versus Kenny who is going against modern scientific research because his personal beliefs are bigoted.

Kids are citizens of this country and their rights to life, liberty, and security is more important than Kenny's bigoted views.

If modern medicine and psychology tell the crown that outing a child as LGBT before they are ready is harmful to a child. The crown has a responsibility to not harm that child under the charter.

As a parent rather than having the crown interfere in my parenting. I am raising my child to know that they can come to me. If he does not feel ready to come to me, I DO NOT want the crown causing undue harm to my son, or my relationship with my son.

Jason Kenny's back water views of crown interference is a danger and I will never support someone so clueless.

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Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Fear mongering over Kenney is the only chance the NDP have, and it's a slim one. I can't wait to vote them out.

I don't see it as fear mongering. He's got morally repugnant positions on social views and I don't want him as my Premier.

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Well this is where the Alberta Party has to start courting the centrists in Alberta. I think the next election is make or break for them.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

A guy like Matt Grant would be a perfect guy to start this unite the centre movement. People like him and the fiscally conservative, socially liberal red tories from the PC days could unite a lot of people in this provnice, especially in the cities.

Couldn't agree more. I'd vote for him provincially in a heartbeat. In fact, in the last federal election, the fact that Matt Grant would have been my MP had he won was what really tipped the scales for me to vote for the Trudeau Liberals, given that I was unimpressed with Trudeau during the campaign and debates.

Problem is, during his federal run, Grant was strongly tied to Swann and the AB Liberals, and I got the sense that they wanted him to take over the party as Swann has to be on his way out. Don't get me wrong, I like Swann and have voted for him every time I've had the chance, but if Grant hitches his wagon to the non-viable dying entity that is the AB Liberal Party, it'd be a waste of potential.

[corporatejay]

If Calgary got Amazon 2 Notley wins in 2019.

Otherwise I think Kenney takes it running away.


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[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

If Calgary got Amazon 2 Notley wins in 2019.

Otherwise I think Kenney takes it running away.


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Or crown subsidized day care like in Quebec.

[DiracSpike]

"Kenney, a former federal Conservative cabinet minister who is running for the leadership of Alberta’s new United Conservative Party, has faced criticism for saying it’s best in some cases to tell parents their kids have joined a gay-straight alliance. He has said school officials are in the best position to make the decision."

From a Globe and Mail article on the subject.
Is this what constitutes a morally repugnant view these days? Saying in some cases parents should be informed?

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Originally Posted by jayswin

Damn, UCP is now out as an option. We know who Kenny is and what he stands for socially. We don't need that garbage in Canada in 2017. Oh well, I was hoping for a strong opponent next election.

I think it's a wait and see on what the platform looks like. So if he drops the school rights crap and his wierd stance on clubs I would consider him.

I don't think this will happen but I think it's important to give him the opportunity to move the party towards the centre socially now that he is the leader. In leadership campaigns you have to play to the base hopefully in Alberta politcs the pivot to the middle still exists.

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Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Fear mongering over Kenney is the only chance the NDP have, and it's a slim one. I can't wait to vote them out.

It really shows how far out of touch you are that you think it's fear mongering.

Originally Posted by GaiJin

How about Notley desire to take over parenting from the parents?

Right to procreate =/= right to invade your children's privacy.

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Originally Posted by DiracSpike

"Kenney, a former federal Conservative cabinet minister who is running for the leadership of Alberta’s new United Conservative Party, has faced criticism for saying it’s best in some cases to tell parents their kids have joined a gay-straight alliance. He has said school officials are in the best position to make the decision."

From a Globe and Mail article on the subject.
Is this what constitutes a morally repugnant view these days? Saying in some cases parents should be informed?

This isn't about keeping parents informed. It's bullying and outting kids. It's reprehensible. They're trying to take away a safe space for lgb students.

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Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

It really shows how far out of touch you are that you think it's fear mongering.

Right to procreate =/= right to invade your children's privacy.

Your children don't have any inherent right to privacy.

The only question is is more harm done to the child by informing the parent.

With the non-informig policy we will eventually have a suicide by a kid in a Alliance group where a parent wasn't informed. With an informing policy we will eventually have a suicide by a kid whose parents shun him as a result or doesn't join out of fear of being shunned. I think there is far from a certain answer of which does less harm.

Now I don't think Kennys position is nuanced at all. It's a straight dog whistle.

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The "tolerant" Jason Kenney.

Kenney is reported further to have said gays can marry all they want -- just as long as its a man and a woman.

The idea that this gay straight alliance thing is some how a parents right to know issue is utter horse crap, and I'm really disappointed when I read people get duped by it. How can someone be so naive over such an obvious dog whistle is beyond me.

[Bunk]

Provincial politics is going to be super nasty the next couple years. Ideologue vs. Ideologue.

Glad I don’t involve myself in partisan provincial politics.

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Good for Randy. With the recent death of Mr. Lahey, this must have been challenging times for him.

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[QUOTE=GGG;6437738]Your children don't have any inherent right to privacy.

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This is exactly right, I think.

With the non-informing policy we will eventually have a suicide by a kid in a Alliance group where a parent wasn't informed. With an informing policy we will eventually have a suicide by a kid whose parents shun him as a result or doesn't join out of fear of being shunned. I think there is far from a certain answer of which does less harm.

Where is the evidence - and I mean any at all - that GSAs, or membership in a GSA, does any harm to anyone? Seriously, if you can point me to a study that shows that in some cases, it can be harmful, or lead to a greater risk of suicide for even a minority of kids, I'm all ears. As far as I know, though, the reality is precisely the opposite. At the end of the day, if there's a policy that leads to less teen suicide overall, I think it's pretty clear which way is the way to go.

Now I don't think Kennys position is nuanced at all. It's a straight dog whistle.

I'm inclined to agree to an extent, though I've no doubt that there are plenty of people who are not homophobic but who simply want to know absolutely everything going on with their kid at school down to the last detail, who will side with him on it. That doesn't seem like the right parenting philosophy to me, but I understand where that view is coming from, and given that I don't know anything about parenting or child psychology I'm not well positioned to answer it.

Originally Posted by Bunk

Provincial politics is going to be super nasty the next couple years. Ideologue vs. Ideologue.

Glad I don’t involve myself in partisan provincial politics.

Hear hear... although frankly I think this is probably going to be more and more common as time goes on and people become increasingly polarized.

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Originally Posted by GGG

Now I don't think Kennys position is nuanced at all. It's a straight dog whistle.

That's not his position. His position is, let the school decide. In circumstances where administration thinks it will do more harm than good... because they know the family circumstances... as opposed to a full out one-way-or-the other policy, all the time.

"I trust teachers, principals and school counsellors to exercise their judgment about such matters, and that there should be a presumption that most parents are loving and caring, seeking only what is best for their children," Kenney said in the Facebook post.

"The law should neither force schools to release information to parents, nor should it create an adversarial relationship between parents and their children."

Kenney said if he becomes premier, he would not repeal the law that compels schools to allow gay-straight alliances.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ents-1.4046248

That sounds a lot more like to me your argument instead of the position you suggest Kenney takes.

I'll add that, if someone were to read this forum as someone who doesn't know the posters' biases, they would walk away with the impression Kenney is an old-school, right wing social conservative from three generations ago. He clearly has a religious background which informs part of his beliefs, but also, wasn't he one of the MP's behind the Tory group to hold meetings/events to show support for homosexuals and others? I could swear I read somewhere he was getting flack for doing that.