Should we be going for Ovie?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Ovechkin would be pretty cool. Definitely improves the offense in the near term. Not sure I'd like the cost though as if it's Kylington Bennett and 1st, that's a lot. Probably worth it though for a legit star.

Other name from Washington to consider is Alzner who provides a bit more defensive responsibility on the 2nd D pairing and could be had relatively inexpensively prior to free agency.

Inexpensive to trade for as a pending UFA, but he'll be getting a fat contract on July 1st.

He's going to get paid to be a team's #1, but is definitely a 3/4 at this point.

[codynw]

I feel like the only person that wouldn't want to give up much for a 31 year old Ovi.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by codynw

I feel like the only person that wouldn't want to give up much for a 31 year old Ovi.

I feel the same. What if Bennett scored 30 the season after we traded him away, the same as Ovi scored this year? Would make the trade look pretty awful. Ovi is physical, and so is Benny-and Benny doesn't have a 9.5M cap hit.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Karl

Because the playoffs is a huge crapshoot. Literally anyone who makes it in has a serious fighting chance at winning the cup. And in a short season (as opposed to an 82 game regular season) a lot more upsets and shock results can occur.

That's a bit handwavey. Playoffs might be a crapshoot in the sense that regular season success isn't predictive of playoff success, but there are some elements of great playoff teams that are consistent. My opinion is that great centers and defensemen influence cup chances significantly. Wingers and Goaltenders still have to be good, but not necessarily great.

However on the note of playoffs being a crapshoot, I think that influences individuals more than teams. Goal scoring in the playoffs is a crap shoot, and you're better off spreading your team's skill throughout the top 9 with capable 20-30 goal scorers than to depend on a 40-50 goal scorer to maintain that production through the playoffs.

I think with the cap, Ovechkin's held the Capitals back, despite all the rocket richard trophies. I would even argue Kane and Toews since signing their new contracts have done the same (Yes, I know Kane won the Art Ross last year... but I think the Blackhawks would rather still have Brandon Saad and Patrick Sharp than an Art Ross winner)

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I feel the same. What if Bennett scored 30 the season after we traded him away, the same as Ovi scored this year? Would make the trade look pretty awful. Ovi is physical, and so is Benny-and Benny doesn't have a 9.5M cap hit.

What if Bennett only scored 35 points and Ovechkin scored 50+ goals again like he did 4 straight years before this one?

My scenario is a lot more plausible than yours BTW.

I like Bennett a lot, but Ovechkin would VERY likely do a lot more to help this team win in the next 4 years than Bennett would, and if the loss of Bennett can be offset by either Janko or Lazar stepping up as a solid 3rd line C option, then the Flames are way ahead.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by codynw

I feel like the only person that wouldn't want to give up much for a 31 year old Ovi.

Not at all.

I'm a Ovi fan, but I wouldn't do that deal (bennet, Kylington, a first and a prospect) for Ovi either...

First of all, I doubt it happens - Ovi wants to win a Cup. Calgary doesn't see to be a team that can do that in the next 2-3 years, so I am not sure why he would agree to be traded here? Not to mention the fact we don't even have a goalie.and taxes are higher than in the states

Way more travel in the west too, and playing at a higher altitude... neither of which would seem to help a 31 year old player...

If you can take out Bennett or Kylington for Brouwer, i'd be more interested... but at 31, he is a declining asset - that's just nature...

[djsFlames]

If it's Bennett and this year's first in a weak draft it might not be the worst move.

How good to people think Bennett's going to be? Surely not Ovechkin-good.

[memphusk]

Leave him in Washington. This isn't 25 year old Ovechkin. Go after Duchene or someone younger if that what you're willing to spend.

[Caged Great]

I'd be all for getting Ovechkin.

I view him as this decade's Brett Hull. When he was the guy in St. Louis, he never had any success. Once he left for Dallas and Detroit, where he wasn't the guy but rather a piece in the machine, he won the cup.

Iginla was the same type of guy, although he did not end up choosing his destinations as wisely.

The Flames already have most of what is necessary to be successful. Two dynamite lines, plus quality depth forwards, and three top tier defensemen. Adding Ovechkin to that and a couple depth D-men and a goalie would make the Flames a favourite.

It would largely depend on what the pieces that the Flames would have to give up to get him, but I would be extremely interested if he was available.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Leave him in Washington. This isn't 25 year old Ovechkin. Go after Duchene or someone younger if that what you're willing to spend.

This.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Leave him in Washington. This isn't 25 year old Ovechkin. Go after Duchene or someone younger if that what you're willing to spend.

Yeah exactly. Or Tavares.

[_Q_]

I've watched him live here a few times in DC. I'd rather he stays in DC.

The guy is the definition of a floater. Sure, he scores goals, but he's not the type to do all that it takes to win. I would not want him on the Flames, especially for the package being suggested.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If it's Bennett and this year's first in a weak draft it might not be the worst move.

How good to people think Bennett's going to be? Surely not Ovechkin-good.

I'm comfortable saying he'll be better than ovi in three years.

Why the hell would you put an expiration date on the cup window.

Still think we're a year off from being ready to contend. So we're looking at a 33 year old ovi with a ridiculous amount of games played. So we'll have one year to go for it. Not to mention the inevitable quick declines of power forwards

[Caged Great]

For me, the most I'd feel comfortable going with is

1st 2017
2nd 2018
Depth player like Chiasson
Their choice of Kylington/Andersson/Hickey
Their choice of Shinkaruk/Klimchuk/Mangiapane

Frees them up to keep Oshie if they want, while getting a whole pile of quality pieces that they can plug into their system right away.

[doctajones428]

Sure, if he was 5 years younger

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

For me, the most I'd feel comfortable going with is

1st 2017
2nd 2018
Depth player like Chiasson
Their choice of Kylington/Andersson/Hickey
Their choice of Shinkaruk/Klimchuk/Mangiapane

Frees them up to keep Oshie if they want, while getting a whole pile of quality pieces that they can plug into their system right away.

If we are taking things from Washington, I'd rather trade something along those lines for the rights to Oshie AND Alzner (with contracts in place before trade). That would be right around 9.5mil right?

[Caged Great]

Iginla

age 30 - 50 G
31 - 35
32 - 32
33 - 43
34 - 32
35 - 14 (Lockout year)
36 - 30
37 - 29
38 - 22
39 - 14

Hull

31 - 43
32 - 42
33 - 27 (missed 1/4 of the year)
34 - 32 (missed 1/4 of the year)
35 - 24
36 - 39
37 - 30
38 - 37
39 - 25

With the two most similar players stylistically to Ovechkin, they produced at a high level all the way through until their retirement. Ovechkin is 1 year removed from 3 consecutive 50+ goal seasons. There is no doubt that he'd get 35+ if he was in Calgary. That's a huge addition to the lineup.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

If we are taking things from Washington, I'd rather trade something along those lines for the rights to Oshie AND Alzner (with contracts in place before trade). That would be right around 9.5mil right?

Probably around 11 million (6.5 + 4.5)

[MarkGio]

Adding Ovechkin also has a ripple effect in the line-up. Him as the top RW pushes Ferland into a role where he can dominate. All of a sudden Bennett now has a quality line-mate on his line, rather than getting the lineup scraps.

So now your rocking a quality 3rd line of Ferland - Bennett - Lazar/Versteeg, which gives you a solid top 9. Right now there's a glaring gap.

[Torch]

Trading for Ovie could be like how Chicago traded for Hossa.