Theresa May on London attacks: Enough is Enough

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, I think peaceful, loving, liberal people who use Sharia as their guide belong in Canada a lot more than bigoted, racist white nationalists. Practice that trash somewhere else. In Canada, we respect other people's freedoms and progressive values. I know countless Muslims that represent Canada beautifully, but I don't know a single racist or bigot that does so.

Islam is a religion, like many others, where the progressive members can be wonderful.

For a non believer you're incredibly sympathetic to the most violent religion on the planet.

Sheep.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, I think peaceful, loving, liberal people who use Sharia as their guide belong in Canada a lot more than bigoted, racist white nationalists. Practice that trash somewhere else. In Canada, we respect other people's freedoms and progressive values. I know countless Muslims that represent Canada beautifully, but I don't know a single racist or bigot that does so.

People should have the freedom to believe what they want and think what they want, this is a Canadian value. The moment thoughts and beliefs negatively impact other people is when the line is crossed. Sharia is a perfect example of crossing the line.

I think your comments are rather disgusting and undermines human rights.

[Ducay]

Nothing like a "morality" court to help enshrine beliefs around the ownership and belittlement of women in cases of adultery and divorce.

Call me when a Sharia court rules in favor of gays' rights and we'll talk.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

For a non believer you're incredibly sympathetic to the most violent religion on the planet.

Sheep.

Whatever you say. I've just had the pleasure of actually knowing people and talking with them, not letting my ignorance fuel hatred.

I'm not sure that people who are part of (or happy to promote) a group that counts only hateful bigots and racists as their members and seek to follow the paths paved by the KKK and nazism can really have any moral judgement on any other group, religious or not. As I said there are many beautiful, progressive, and strong Muslim people that get lumped in with those that commit evil out of hate, when they should instead be held up as the example that other Muslims should follow. With actual hate groups that seek to promote bigotry and racism without understanding, there is only evil as an example.

I would say following blind, ignorant hate, without even knowing what religious leaders are called, what certain terms even mean, or how to separate fact from fiction, is as sheep-like as it gets.

It amazes me how much hate for Muslims we allow to float freely, even the suggestion that progressive, liberal Muslims are worth holding up as the standard is met with words like "disgusting" and "shameful." Looking at this thread, it's really no wonder some Muslims have trouble adapting to a "progressive" society where the least progressive and most hateful members are sometimes the loudest. Thankfully, I'd like to think (especially in Canada) we're better than some of the bigoted hate on display, and it's all about drowning it out.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As I said there are many beautiful, progressive, and strong Muslim people that get lumped in with those that commit evil out of hate

I don't doubt that some people simply hate all Muslims, every group seems to have those that are dedicated to hating them - not just Muslims. I don't see much in the way of people supporting that view. The racists seem to be outcasts.

I don't see any people claiming they are pro nazis in order to call out the negatives of Sharia...what you posted was pretty awful. Sharia is very harmful. Can you justify the positives?

Muslims also have their share of racism, or whatever you want to call it. In fact, institutionalized racism is a big problem in much of the Muslim world. How do you propose that issue is dealt with? How should we see that from the outside looking in?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

With actual hate groups that seek to promote bigotry and racism without understanding, there is only evil as an example.

I would say following blind, ignorant hate, without even knowing what religious leaders are called, what certain terms even mean, or how to separate fact from fiction, is as sheep-like as it gets.

I've read your previous thoughtful posts about the progressive Muslims you know who live virtuous, productive lives that contribute to society. There is a nuance you've uncovered that others won't see.

I think it's an example of system 1 vs system 2 thinking that Kaheneman writes about. Thinking fast vs thinking slow or judging vs understanding. It's just more in group bias perhaps even hate.

I agree, the ignorant/hateful offer nothing redeemable.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't doubt that some people simply hate all Muslims, every group seems to have those that are dedicated to hating them - not just Muslims. I don't see much in the way of people supporting that view. The racists seem to be outcasts.

I don't see any people claiming they are pro nazis in order to call out the negatives of Sharia...what you posted was pretty awful. Sharia is very harmful. Can you justify the positives?

Muslims also have their share of racism, or whatever you want to call it. In fact, institutionalized racism is a big problem in much of the Muslim world. How do you propose that issue is dealt with? How should we see that from the outside looking in?

One your first point, that is mainly directed to the person I had quoted, as they've happily posted and defended propaganda content from white nationalist organisations (specifically Britain First, which is a runoff from the neo-Nazi BNP and has links to NI terrorist groups). I just don't think it's appropriate for someone who posts content taken directly from neo-nazis and terrorists to make objective comments on the moral standards of anyone else, period. Brietbart gets laughed out of most political circles here, so I think most of would agree spreading neo-Nazi propaganda and defending it is many categories worse.

I can't "justify the positives" of Sharia, as I can only justify the positive interpretations of any religion. My first inclination is that religion is problematic and can lead to some fairly toxic beliefs (and justifications for those beliefs). Islam is no different. But, without the ability to eradicate religion, I believe the best possible path is to celebrate and support those who are progressive, and who are liberal, rather than blanket condemnation.

There are gay Muslims, feminist Muslims, but they are still Muslims who follow Sharia. Sharia is really no different than the teachings of the Bible in the sense that people can take some pretty horrible things from it, but there's a lot of light to be had. From the conversations I've had and the people I've been around, (for progressive Muslims at least) Sharia teaches self control, being at peace with your neighbor, respecting your own body, being honest, etc. I know Muslims who don't drink or smoke because of Sharia, those who observe Ramadan do so because of Sharia, it's just used as a tool to inspire good people to be better.

Does it allow the exact opposite? It does, and that's a huge problem. As you said, there is an issue with institutionalised racism in parts of the Muslim world and while we have our own problems, we can still act as an imperfect leap in the right direction.

Progressive, liberal Muslims should be held up as the example and championed because those are the people that can affect the most change in Islam worldwide. That doesn't mean we stop criticising the bad parts of Islam or shouting down things like extremism and those who wish to override secular laws with religious ones, but those people are far fewer than the dramatic presence they seem to have to conservative westerners.

I think the best thing we can do is talk about Islam with some nuance. Not as some concretely good or bad thing. I don't believe there's anything but ignorance to saying there's no problem with Islam, just as I don't believe there's anything but ignorance to saying Sharia is an evil perversion.

This man seems to be a great example, not only for other leaders but to British youth as well:
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.mirror...l-10560509.amp

Instead of shovelling hate on him as some have indirectly done in this thread, we should be holding him up and making sure his words are heard by those who need the message. Change comes from within, and all that.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Whatever you say. I've just had the pleasure of actually knowing people and talking with them, not letting my ignorance fuel hatred.

I'm not sure that people who are part of (or happy to promote) a group that counts only hateful bigots and racists as their members and seek to follow the paths paved by the KKK and nazism can really have any moral judgement on any other group, religious or not. As I said there are many beautiful, progressive, and strong Muslim people that get lumped in with those that commit evil out of hate, when they should instead be held up as the example that other Muslims should follow. With actual hate groups that seek to promote bigotry and racism without understanding, there is only evil as an example.

I would say following blind, ignorant hate, without even knowing what religious leaders are called, what certain terms even mean, or how to separate fact from fiction, is as sheep-like as it gets.

It amazes me how much hate for Muslims we allow to float freely, even the suggestion that progressive, liberal Muslims are worth holding up as the standard is met with words like "disgusting" and "shameful." Looking at this thread, it's really no wonder some Muslims have trouble adapting to a "progressive" society where the least progressive and most hateful members are sometimes the loudest. Thankfully, I'd like to think (especially in Canada) we're better than some of the bigoted hate on display, and it's all about drowning it out.

so lets see what actual Muslims who have managed to escape that religion have to say:

Here’s a secret. Something I don’t tell people. Islam scares me. It scares me so much i get tensed up, nervous and start sweating. My nightmare comes true when I wake up everyday. It’s just too hard for me. Death isn’t any longer hard to digest, I am okay with it. And because I know suicide is the most sane and moral action. I don’t know what to do. If I don’t speak to someone about Islam; my anxiety builds up and I get stressed out. I don’t criticize religion because I can. I criticize religion because I am being deeply affected by it. I just want to go back in time. 2-3 years ago and learn that Islam isn’t all the things I think it is. That my paradigm of the perfect true moral religion is correct. I hate it when the truth falls heavy on my bones and my heart breaks itself into a million pieces everytime. #### you Islam. For lying to me and everyone else. #### you for holding yourself ‘sacred’ so you don’t get criticism. #### you mother####rrs who devised this system and let the rest of the world to rot. I wish I didn’t need to cry all those times because of Islam.

I really wish people don't consider suicide. Yes, I understand the desperation and depression but we need MORE ex-muslims not less.
This is going to be a battle that lasts generations and we need all the help we can get.



Dear all,
I am writing this as my last 'cry for help' if you will. I am a 19 year old female born and raised in the West to a conservative Muslim family.
I've been slowly losing faith for many years now. I wore the hijab at 9 and have been fasting and praying since then but I've stopped praying properly at around 15. I became very depressed at that age due to many different circumstances and the circumstances got better but my depression didn't. I tried every prayer and every dua and nothing helped. It just felt like God was not listening to me. I have no faith or hope left in Him.
I tried to make it work. Last year I became very religious, tried to be active in the community. Asked imams and scholars my questions and I went to the mosque often, I started researching and justifying the things I did not agree with at first. But it wasn't enough. No matter how many mental gymnastics I do I can't justify why God would allow my future husband to beat me if I was disobedient, or why he would want me covered from head to toe and burn me in Hell for all eternity if I didn't.
I became depressed again and I just kept spiralling downwards. I've never wanted to wear the hijab but now it's getting very bad. With all the terrorist attacks I'm scared to leave the house out of fear of both the terrorists and the islamophobic attacks and have isolated myself.
My anxiety and depression is getting so much worse. My parents are always yelling at me that my hijab is not good but everyone else thinks I dress too religiously. The hijab is meant to protect me from other men right? But I still got sexually assaulted and catcalled as a child by strangers despite wearing the baggiest abaya and the strictest hijab. In this day and age it brings more attention than it deflects, negative attention, and makes me two-dimensional, a political symbol for beliefs I do not agree with.
Every year Ramadan is a time to reflect and discipline myself and turn back to Allah but this Ramadan I'm just turning further away. It feels like an inconvenience, it's making my anxiety and depression worse. I can't focus for my exams and it's making me resent God astaghfirullah. I wasn't prepared in any way and now I've hit the lowest point. I've been falling in and out of sleep and getting headaches, I just need coffee and some painkillers. I just want to go to the kitchen and break fast right now, and I don't even feel guilty for thinking that way. Sometimes I think I'm going to Hell anyway and I'm already hating my life on Earth so I might as well end it and go straight there. Save myself the extra pain.
But I'm terrified of Hell, nothing scares me more than death and going to Hell for all of eternity. I really don't want to go but I can't save myself. My heart won't accept God even if I make my body do things for him.
I've started to resent Him and resent my family and my life and the world. And they all hate me back so it all seems pointless and I don't know what to do. I apologise for the length of this post but I hope someone out there has some words of comfort or advice for me.


hi, i am a college student in the west, forced hijabi, closeted exmuslim, 21 years old & no friends. although i planned to study at a university far from home my dad got suddenly sick and now i am stuck here at a local college studying something just to get a diploma.
and i am tired of pretending. i feel like i will spent the rest of my life pretending to be someone else. my mom constantly tells me to marry someone from our racist, homophobic, misogynist community and i cant stand it anymore. theyve been living in this country for almost three decades but cant speak the language, cant go to the doctor by their own, cant do #### without me being there etc
and i dont want to hurt them.... they are old&sick. how am i supposed to say to my mom that i dont believe in god anymore? she would imagine me in hell burning forever... i cant do this to her.
the only option is to get a job and leave home. but i dont know when and how. staying here in this house makes me depressed. and when i am depressed i cant concentrate on my studies. and my 20's.. i feel like i am wasting my most precious years....
i dont know what to do, how to feel. i wish i never existed.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Whatever you say. I've just had the pleasure of actually knowing people and talking with them, not letting my ignorance fuel hatred.

I'm not sure that people who are part of (or happy to promote) a group that counts only hateful bigots and racists as their members and seek to follow the paths paved by the KKK and nazism can really have any moral judgement on any other group, religious or not. As I said there are many beautiful, progressive, and strong Muslim people that get lumped in with those that commit evil out of hate, when they should instead be held up as the example that other Muslims should follow. With actual hate groups that seek to promote bigotry and racism without understanding, there is only evil as an example.

I would say following blind, ignorant hate, without even knowing what religious leaders are called, what certain terms even mean, or how to separate fact from fiction, is as sheep-like as it gets.

It amazes me how much hate for Muslims we allow to float freely, even the suggestion that progressive, liberal Muslims are worth holding up as the standard is met with words like "disgusting" and "shameful." Looking at this thread, it's really no wonder some Muslims have trouble adapting to a "progressive" society where the least progressive and most hateful members are sometimes the loudest. Thankfully, I'd like to think (especially in Canada) we're better than some of the bigoted hate on display, and it's all about drowning it out.

so lets see what actual Muslims who are trying to escape that religion have to say:

Here’s a secret. Something I don’t tell people. Islam scares me. It scares me so much i get tensed up, nervous and start sweating. My nightmare comes true when I wake up everyday. It’s just too hard for me. Death isn’t any longer hard to digest, I am okay with it. And because I know suicide is the most sane and moral action. I don’t know what to do. If I don’t speak to someone about Islam; my anxiety builds up and I get stressed out. I don’t criticize religion because I can. I criticize religion because I am being deeply affected by it. I just want to go back in time. 2-3 years ago and learn that Islam isn’t all the things I think it is. That my paradigm of the perfect true moral religion is correct. I hate it when the truth falls heavy on my bones and my heart breaks itself into a million pieces everytime. #### you Islam. For lying to me and everyone else. #### you for holding yourself ‘sacred’ so you don’t get criticism. #### you mother####rrs who devised this system and let the rest of the world to rot. I wish I didn’t need to cry all those times because of Islam.

I really wish people don't consider suicide. Yes, I understand the desperation and depression but we need MORE ex-muslims not less.
This is going to be a battle that lasts generations and we need all the help we can get.



Dear all,
I am writing this as my last 'cry for help' if you will. I am a 19 year old female born and raised in the West to a conservative Muslim family.
I've been slowly losing faith for many years now. I wore the hijab at 9 and have been fasting and praying since then but I've stopped praying properly at around 15. I became very depressed at that age due to many different circumstances and the circumstances got better but my depression didn't. I tried every prayer and every dua and nothing helped. It just felt like God was not listening to me. I have no faith or hope left in Him.
I tried to make it work. Last year I became very religious, tried to be active in the community. Asked imams and scholars my questions and I went to the mosque often, I started researching and justifying the things I did not agree with at first. But it wasn't enough. No matter how many mental gymnastics I do I can't justify why God would allow my future husband to beat me if I was disobedient, or why he would want me covered from head to toe and burn me in Hell for all eternity if I didn't.
I became depressed again and I just kept spiralling downwards. I've never wanted to wear the hijab but now it's getting very bad. With all the terrorist attacks I'm scared to leave the house out of fear of both the terrorists and the islamophobic attacks and have isolated myself.
My anxiety and depression is getting so much worse. My parents are always yelling at me that my hijab is not good but everyone else thinks I dress too religiously. The hijab is meant to protect me from other men right? But I still got sexually assaulted and catcalled as a child by strangers despite wearing the baggiest abaya and the strictest hijab. In this day and age it brings more attention than it deflects, negative attention, and makes me two-dimensional, a political symbol for beliefs I do not agree with.
Every year Ramadan is a time to reflect and discipline myself and turn back to Allah but this Ramadan I'm just turning further away. It feels like an inconvenience, it's making my anxiety and depression worse. I can't focus for my exams and it's making me resent God astaghfirullah. I wasn't prepared in any way and now I've hit the lowest point. I've been falling in and out of sleep and getting headaches, I just need coffee and some painkillers. I just want to go to the kitchen and break fast right now, and I don't even feel guilty for thinking that way. Sometimes I think I'm going to Hell anyway and I'm already hating my life on Earth so I might as well end it and go straight there. Save myself the extra pain.
But I'm terrified of Hell, nothing scares me more than death and going to Hell for all of eternity. I really don't want to go but I can't save myself. My heart won't accept God even if I make my body do things for him.
I've started to resent Him and resent my family and my life and the world. And they all hate me back so it all seems pointless and I don't know what to do. I apologise for the length of this post but I hope someone out there has some words of comfort or advice for me.


hi, i am a college student in the west, forced hijabi, closeted exmuslim, 21 years old & no friends. although i planned to study at a university far from home my dad got suddenly sick and now i am stuck here at a local college studying something just to get a diploma.
and i am tired of pretending. i feel like i will spent the rest of my life pretending to be someone else. my mom constantly tells me to marry someone from our racist, homophobic, misogynist community and i cant stand it anymore. theyve been living in this country for almost three decades but cant speak the language, cant go to the doctor by their own, cant do #### without me being there etc
and i dont want to hurt them.... they are old&sick. how am i supposed to say to my mom that i dont believe in god anymore? she would imagine me in hell burning forever... i cant do this to her.
the only option is to get a job and leave home. but i dont know when and how. staying here in this house makes me depressed. and when i am depressed i cant concentrate on my studies. and my 20's.. i feel like i am wasting my most precious years....
i dont know what to do, how to feel. i wish i never existed.

[Ducay]

Three wall of text posts in a row with no TL;DR? C'mon boys, lets keep it short and sweet - Quips and drive-bys only

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cheese

long

You did it, you proved that religion isn't for everyone and there are bad parts of Islam/Islam can be bad for some people.

I'll get back to you when I figure out who has said any different.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by New Era

What would you call what the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq, and assists other dictators in the region to do to their people? Or what Israel does to Palestinians? Or what the leaders of the Middle East countries do to their own people?



Because most of the Middle East is ruled by autocrats and dictators. People who are not the ruling class in these countries are all oppressed by their rulers. That is why it is such a fertile breeding ground for people willing to give their lives to strike back at those who they become convinced are oppressing them.



See above. When you feel you are oppressed you will do almost anything to escape that feeling and that state.



Check the database I provided.



Belgium participated in both Afghanistan and Iraq.



Really? You did in the post I answered to. As I said, peruse the database I provided a link to. Maybe you'll get a little bit of insight into terrorism before you post again.

I meant why do they attack their home Western countries, where most of them grew up. One of the London attackers was Moroccan-Italian...why did he stab random civilians in a London outdoor area? Because he had grave greivances about the English recognition of France's sphere of influence in Morocco in the 1904 Entente Cordiale?

You can assign fake motives and deflect all you want, the extremely obivous and blatant thread between ALL of these attacks are that the perpatrators Muslim. It doesn't mean Muslims shouldn't be allowed to live in Western countries, or they should be discriminated against, but it is a fact. I really hope you're not a professor of any social science disciplines.

[RougeUnderoos]

Some nut attacked a cop with a hammer outside Notre Dame in Paris. Another cop shot the attacker in the chest. Cop wounded (no idea how bad), and the nut is in the hospital.

Paris police believe it's a terrorist attack.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, I think peaceful, loving, liberal people who use Sharia as their guide belong in Canada a lot more than bigoted, racist white nationalists. Practice that trash somewhere else. In Canada, we respect other people's freedoms and progressive values. I know countless Muslims that represent Canada beautifully, but I don't know a single racist or bigot that does so.

Linda Sarsour? Is that you?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I meant why do they attack their home Western countries, where most of them grew up. One of the London attackers was Moroccan-Italian...why did he stab random civilians in a London outdoor area? Because he had grave greivances about the English recognition of France's sphere of influence in Morocco in the 1904 Entente Cordiale?

Maybe because being a Muslim in a western country ain't easy right now? I just can't imagine how hard it was to be Muslim in the UK after the Brexit vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7106326.html

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0ZD19V

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lasting-damage

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...xit-hate-crime

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

http://www.thenational.ae/world/euro...rge-in-britain

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.727184

And most importantly...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...coming-target/

I wonder how you would feel if you and your ilk were looked down upon and immediately blamed for everything that goes on? I wonder how you would feel if you were belittled and demeaned every day just walking down the street? I wonder if you would develop a sense of being oppressed? I wonder how you would show your frustration? I suspect you'd throw a punch rather than have a discussion.

You can assign fake motives and deflect all you want, the extremely obivous and blatant thread between ALL of these attacks are that the perpatrators Muslim.

Again, terrorism is tactic. It is a tactic used by people of all beliefs, not just Muslims. You can try and say that terrorism is a Muslim problem, but that is just wrong. It is a tactic used by those who do not have diplomatic or military means to address their causes. Muslims just so happen to fall in that group and are different from us, so it is easy to single them out. I will again point you to the database. Feel free to take a look at any region. You'll find that there are many terror attacks that go unreported by the media and are not Muslim related, simply because they are not sensational or fit the narrative of the day. Yes, there are Muslims who use terrorism as a tactic, but there are people from other beliefs/ideologies than use the same tactic. The commonality in all of those instances? Lack of access to the governance process in their specific region, and ignorance of the challenges those people face.

It doesn't mean Muslims shouldn't be allowed to live in Western countries, or they should be discriminated against, but it is a fact. I really hope you're not a professor of any social science disciplines.

Get educated son. Your ignorance is embarrassing.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Whatever you say. I've just had the pleasure of actually knowing people and talking with them, not letting my ignorance fuel hatred.

You paint me as a bigot, a white supremacist, a neo-nazi and even a racist yet you support Sharia, a disgusting homophobic, regressive, perverted, violent and racist ideology.

Islam like most religions have bad idea's but the world hasn't seen one as bad as Sharia in 100's of years, polls show about 15 - 20% of Muslims worldwide support this strict version of Islam, that's upwards of 400 million people you support yet you have the nerve call me most the very things you support.

For some reason you think because I misspelled "imam" I must live in a white bubble and haven't seen the world and the people in it. I'll let you in on a secret my little sheep, first off I'm not fully white and one of my best friends wife is from Pakistan, he hasn't met her family ever and she hasn't visited her home or her parents and 2 siblings since she left Pakistan 22 years ago for school.

Why? because if she went home her dad or brother likely would kill her for leaving Islam and marrying a Filipino Christian that's why.

Take comfort in knowing you still have your same 5 or 6 brother sheep's thanking your posts and agreeing with your views.

[northcrunk]

Jesus Christ people. The virtue signalling is thick here. We all have Muslim friends and even family (I do) and we need to seperate Muslims from Islam as a political force. There are Muslim sects who are non-violent and believe in co-existence. Mainly the ahmadiyya and asmaili who are also targets of Islamic terror groups. We criticise Christianity all the time but do we hate Christians? Nope. I would recommend following https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace on twitter. He has faced death threats for his work but he is trying to drag the religion through a reformation. We don't stop these attacks from happening by not calling things out and sticking our heads in the sand. The British police and government (at all levels including the mayor and pm) failed to act on these obviously radical men. It's no secret how radical this group is and they have been on documentaries unveilling Daesh flags in british parks. The reason we see many of these attackers leading a destructive life of drugs, gangs and violence is the only way for those people (in their own minds) to get into heaven is to die in Jihad (All sins forgiven).

[northcrunk]

My wife's family has been victims of Islamic terror in Pakistan. Christmas eve their house was shot up by AK-47s. Hundreds of rounds. The only reason they are alive today is my wife was being an annoying kid and wanted to go for midnight mass just because she wanted to stay up late.

[CaptainCrunch]

Boy you can cut the sexual tension with a knife

Spoiler!

tension breaker had to be done

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Maybe because being a Muslim in a western country ain't easy right now? I just can't imagine how hard it was to be Muslim in the UK after the Brexit vote.

There are ethnic and religious minorities in virtually every country in the world. If you genuinely think the treatment of Muslims in the UK is especially egregious, then I don't know what to say. Oh wait - how about:

Originally Posted by New Era

Get educated son. Your ignorance is embarrassing.