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Old 02-20-2017, 03:14 PM   #121
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Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing Bartkowski a bit more to see what he can do, don't want him to get sent down yet
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Brodie - Stone
Bartkowski - Engelland

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Brodie - Wideman
Jokipakka/Kulak - Engelland

All it cost was a 3rd
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Sweet deal! Stoked to see him play!
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I don't like this for the Flames. Either the Flames are moving to a 4-4-1 protection model, which is dumb for a player like Stone, or they risk being penalized by the league for trying to sign Stone after the expansion league.

I don't mind the Flames going to a 4-4-1 model, but I only support it if it's for a legit top 4 defenseman like Barrie or someone who makes losing a guy like Frolik worth it.
The league has to prove that they negotiated a deal ahead of time, unless the Flames asked for permission to talk to Stone ahead of time or sign him minutes after the expansion draft concludes, it will be very hard to prove.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:19 PM   #126
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Cant send Wideman down can they?

I thought he had a NMC.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:19 PM   #127
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Also if his wife and family are from here, just had twins, and they want to live in Calgary, then I'm pretty sure a handshake agreement for a contract that won't be signed until after the expansion draft wouldn't seem out of the question.
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I think the handshake agreement is what the league will be watching out for. They made some statement about that earlier in the season after Vegas complained about this.

I doubt the Flames talk contract with him at all. If they like what they see, they will tell him at the exit meetings that they are interested in bringing him back but that he should explore the market first. I don't see how the league can really punish the Flames for that, but they probably have to avoid a "handshake agreement".
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:19 PM   #128
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Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing Bartkowski a bit more to see what he can do, don't want him to get sent down yet
I imagine the Flames won't expose him on waivers this year as they don't want to risk losing him before the expansion draft.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:20 PM   #129
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I don't get why this effects the expansion? Who cares if we lose Stone.
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Where does Wideman play? Are they really sticking him in the press box? No way you take Engelland out of the 5/6 pairing.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:21 PM   #131
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Solid signing. This should push Wideman out of the lineup which really pushes this trade over the top for me.

His remaining cap hit for the year is only 544k.

The down side of this trade is that I am going to have to start my NHL17 franchise over after I add Stone to the roster.

I do wonder what move Treliving has planned to make room for Stone. Is it as easy as sending Bartkowski down. Or is one of Jokipakka, Wideman or Engelland on their way out the door.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:21 PM   #132
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I think the handshake agreement is what the league will be watching out for. They made some statement about that earlier in the season after Vegas complained about this.

I doubt the Flames talk contract with him at all. If they like what they see, they will tell him at the exit meetings that they are interested in bringing him back but that he should explore the market first. I don't see how the league can really punish the Flames for that, but they probably have to avoid a "handshake agreement".
Yeah I don't get how they will penalize for it.

"We were in negotiations prior to the expansion draft, but during those negotiations we didn't come to a contract agreement, he hit the UFA market and we agreed upon a contract then."

It can be something as simple as "Prior to the expansion draft they didn't offer me a Limited No Trade Clause, now they did and we agreed upon the deal".

The league can release a statement, and Las Vegas can complain, but it's not going to stop teams from doing it.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:21 PM   #133
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Jokipakka will be going on waivers is my guess.
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Jokipakka will be going on waivers is my guess.
I'd send Hathaway or Hamilton down first - Jokipakka might not be having a great year, but he's an NHL player and he wouldn't make it to Stockton.
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Jokipakka's a better defender than a lot of people give him credit for, and he's a fine insurance policy if Bartkowski or Stone bust out.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:28 PM   #137
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I'd send Hathaway or Hamilton down first - Jokipakka might not be having a great year, but he's an NHL player and he wouldn't make it to Stockton.
Would Jokipakka carry much value on the trade market? Still young & has untapped potential.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:30 PM   #138
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Damnit make it official! I don't wanna get trolled.
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:30 PM   #139
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Officially completed now.

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Michael Stone trade call has been completed. Now official. ARI continues to work on other deals, possibly more to come, perhaps today.
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Jokipakka will be going on waivers is my guess.
I imagine Hathaway will be sent down and we go with 8D
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