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Old 02-18-2017, 11:48 PM   #121
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Also another thing I noticed with the Flames is that they really don't have a "proper" right hand shot D-man on the point for the powerplay. Instead, the Flames try to patch that up with Versteeg. The guy is so frickin small, he doesn't have a powerful enough of a shot to get through. Instead of focusing on getting a goalie, get a right point guard that can shot the puck!
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Old 02-18-2017, 11:49 PM   #122
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Frolik's effort in the 34 seconds of OT was horrendous. Wished it was Gaudreau out there instead.
Simply put, Backlund and Chucky have been the staws that have stirred the drink on the 3M line since november.

I suppose GG was thinking back to that goal Froyo had in that one OT in december.
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Old 02-18-2017, 11:51 PM   #123
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Johnny turned the puck over twice on consecutive plays in the last 90 seconds of play, while we had a 6 on 4 advantage. That really should not be happening. Frolik messed it up too in OT, that is blown coverage and cost us the extra point (imagine we miss the playoffs by one?)

Fun game otherwise, super relieved to finally grab a deserved point on a late tying goal - how long as it been since that happened?

Tuesday's game is gonna be huge! I'm looking forward to it.
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That one shot Bartkowski unloaded off the bar was quite a zinger.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:03 AM   #125
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:04 AM   #126
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Unacceptable loss for a few reasons.

1. It's against a rival
2. The opposition is a horrible team. Should be a very winnable game.
3. The opposition is coming off their 5 day break. The odds indicate that the Flames should win.

The Flames did apply pressure. They didn't play horrible. BUT, they didn't find a way to win. Good job on forcing overtime to get the point, but they needed to get 2 points. They can be relieved they didn't completely blow it, but better be extra hungry next game. Playoffs or not, they need to learn how to win.
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That one shot Bartkowski unloaded off the bar was quite a zinger.
He tried to go Bartdownski?

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Unacceptable loss for a few reasons.

1. It's against a rival
2. The opposition is a horrible team. Should be a very winnable game.
3. The opposition is coming off their 5 day break. The odds indicate that the Flames should win.

The Flames did apply pressure. They didn't play horrible. BUT, they didn't find a way to win. Good job on forcing overtime to get the point, but they needed to get 2 points. They can be relieved they didn't completely blow it, but better be extra hungry next game. Playoffs or not, they need to learn how to win.
horrible team with a couple less wins than Calgary...Vancouver played Thursday
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:14 AM   #129
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horrible team with a couple less wins than Calgary...Vancouver played Thursday
Miller.
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horrible team with a couple less wins than Calgary...Vancouver played Thursday
Because of Miller often standing on his head stealing them many wins.
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Miller.
Exactly, Calgary dominated...Miller stole it
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horrible team with a couple less wins than Calgary...Vancouver played Thursday


That's what I get for listening to my kids.

I still stand by the part about horrible team. Flames aren't doing as good as they should and need to win against teams in the lower 1/3 of the league to parlay that into something good.
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None of the Flames offence is firing right now just as they are getting goaltending. That's what it's coming down to.

Seems to be one or the other, with the exception of that 6 game win streak where the team played like the monster we thought it would be going into the season (just in front of the wrong goaltender).
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Also another thing I noticed with the Flames is that they really don't have a "proper" right hand shot D-man on the point for the powerplay. Instead, the Flames try to patch that up with Versteeg. The guy is so frickin small, he doesn't have a powerful enough of a shot to get through. Instead of focusing on getting a goalie, get a right point guard that can shot the puck!
They have two PP lines. The one with 13, 23, 10, 7 and 36 is the playmaking line where they try more passes and precision plays. It's why they go with 4 forwards and 1 D. The other line has 2 D and 3 forwards with 11, 19, 67, 5 and 27. This one has 2 defencemen with alternate shots on each point. Both have power to get it through. It gives the opponent two different looks on the same power play. For much of December and January it was the most effective power play in the NHL. Today they generated many chances but couldn't beat Miller. That happens sometimes.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:22 AM   #135
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I thought they would be a bubble team

no top RW and no #4 d-man

I thought goaltending would be better however
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Also another thing I noticed with the Flames is that they really don't have a "proper" right hand shot D-man on the point for the powerplay. Instead, the Flames try to patch that up with Versteeg. The guy is so frickin small, he doesn't have a powerful enough of a shot to get through. Instead of focusing on getting a goalie, get a right point guard that can shot the puck!
Well... They do, but for some reason they just decide not to have Hamilton there. I don't understand it. He has a big shot and would be perfect on the first unit. I hate versteeg in that position. I'm going to go crazy if I have to continue watching him take his stupid slap shot pp after pp. Hate the stupid pass back Brodie does all the time too. Majority of the time it goes to no one and and seems to slow everything down. Just useless. I could put up with it while the PP was scoring, but teams have clearly made adjustments and it's not working anymore. Time for them to change things up again. I'd like to see Hamilton on the point and Johnny moved to the other wing to start with.

Anyways thoughts about the game. Could be a big point, but really sucks they couldn't get the two. Better team, but miller just seems to have our number this year. Tough ot for Frolik. Hated his shot that he took and then just couldn't keep up with tanev on the back check. Thought that was easily Brouwer's best game in awhile. Thought that line with Bennett and Ferland looked good. Elliott responded well after the bad goal. Don't know what gulutzans plan is on Tuesday, but I stick with Elliott. He's playing well and gives the flames a better chance to win right now.

Thought Bartkowski looked good in his limited minutes. Wideman even looked decent in his reduced role minus that one shift. Johnny clearly struggling, but even still was able to setup a number of chances. If a couple of them find a stick or find a way in the net we aren't ragging on him. Just been that kind of season for him. Still hopeful he'll come up huge and get out of the rut he's in.
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At 3:44 on sums uo the Flames penalty woes explained by an official.

" 2 for what ever and a 10 for misconduct" " I don't have to explain"

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Unacceptable loss for a few reasons.

1. It's against a rival
2. The opposition is a horrible team. Should be a very winnable game.
3. The opposition is coming off their 5 day break. The odds indicate that the Flames should win.

The Flames did apply pressure. They didn't play horrible. BUT, they didn't find a way to win. Good job on forcing overtime to get the point, but they needed to get 2 points. They can be relieved they didn't completely blow it, but better be extra hungry next game. Playoffs or not, they need to learn how to win.
The Canucls havent had their bye week yet. It starts this mpnda tp friday. The 20 to th 24th.

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Old 02-19-2017, 03:16 AM   #139
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One thing I haven't seen this team try in a while is one timers.

As I recall Dougie was trying a few of those when he was on that hot streak and put a couple in.

Part of the PP going cold is they're taking too much time receiving and controlling the passes before putting a shot on net, giving the goalie time to adjust his positioning. Quick (wide) passes and equally quick releases are key.

Giving the goalie eons to set up and unloading weak, low wristers these goalies will stop all day long. Traffic is also key. Need butts planted in goalies faces.
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The team lacks finshers, plain and simple. A common theme tonight was 'couldn't get the puck on net', but instead it should be WOULND'T get the puck on net. To many players skating wide on the rush (Brodie, wtf??), and tap ins being missed. Johnny has had a frustrating season for sure, but if Monahan taps the pass in the first suddenly it's a great play. Having said that, he's lost his ability to juke and jive or spin around players. Frustrating to watch as it's plays like that, that made him successful.
The Flames are FAR too slow on their setups, particularly on the PP. Their play is always back to the blue line, play pitch and catch a bit and try for a pass down low with a quick flip to whoever is right in front of the net. The problem is that they signal the play each time, and the D-man (except Dougie) typically holds the puck waaaaaaaay too long, allowing the opposing team to line up where they want to.

It's a very static system and doesn't allow the dynamic players room to move or manoeuvre. As a result, they're kept to the outside and forced to make passes that are bound to hit sticks, or shots that are bound to hit too many defenders.

They had a great system for a while, but other teams have adapted, and the Flames haven't.

Very frustrating to watch this game!
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