Yeah signing Grossman only to waive him 13 games later is a waste, especially when Kulak outplayed him in camp and we already had 6 solidified defensemen, but it's nitpicking to hate on Treliving for this. Grossman being around could've served some other purpose, such as show Kulak some defensive and hitting mentoring, or apply some pressure on the prospects to get in better shape, or whatever reason only the club is aware of.
Even he's claimed off waivers, then the only thing that is effected is the team being out a few thousand. If he's not claimed, then the worst issue is that he takes up a contract spot. Nothing to trip about
How do they have an extra 575k in salary when they are paying Nicklas Grossmann 575k in salary (actual dollars, too, not just cap hit)?
I can't be the only one who sees how nonsensical that sounds?
(yes. I understand how LTIR works. But again, if that cap relief is going to Grossmann - it is not cap relief. And by assigning him to Stockton, it is no longer cap relief at all while simultaneously NOT being salary relief)
The LTIR relief is calculated from the beginning of the season because that is when Smid went on LTIR. They know he is going to be gone for the entire year so to maximize the LTIR available you want to be as close to the cap as possible, hence Grossmann. His signing was to get to as close to the cap as possible so almost all of Smid's 3.5 million would be LTIR cap relief that they can go over the cap. Bottom line, this maneuver allows the Flames to pick up a player with around 2.75M cap hit at the deadline instead of 2.18M. That is the benefit.
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Cap reasons for the signing notwithstanding, I don't much fuss about a 2-3 game experiment with an experienced physical defenceman. While I wouldn't have signed him, Grossman is something neither Kulak or Jokipaaka (or Schlemko or Nakladal) are, which is a very large and physical guy. Whether that's a real necessity or not is questionable, but if you didn't have him, you wouldn't know if he was of any use at all.
So now he's buried with his cap, at the cost of a couple games. Kulak will now platoon with Wideman and Jokipaaka if the last few games are any indication.
What it shows is that management is open to ideas, and open to acting when the evidence says the idea wasn't good.
Didnt read rest of the thread but did he play enough games to be eligible for expansion draft exposure?
He is not under contract for next year, so the number of games played is irrelevant.
Also, this question is meaningless. Why would anyone think that Las Vegas would be taking a look at our ninth best defenceman instead of our fourth best?
Yeah signing Grossman only to waive him 13 games later is a waste, especially when Kulak outplayed him in camp and we already had 6 solidified defensemen, but it's nitpicking to hate on Treliving for this. Grossman being around could've served some other purpose, such as show Kulak some defensive and hitting mentoring, or apply some pressure on the prospects to get in better shape, or whatever reason only the club is aware of.
Even he's claimed off waivers, then the only thing that is effected is the team being out a few thousand. If he's not claimed, then the worst issue is that he takes up a contract spot. Nothing to trip about
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Didnt read rest of the thread but did he play enough games to be eligible for expansion draft exposure?
We're up to 12 now, let's keep them coming gents.
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He is not under contract for next year, so the number of games played is irrelevant.
Also, this question is meaningless. Why would anyone think that Las Vegas would be taking a look at our ninth best defenceman instead of our fourth best?
It wouldn't have surprised me if in the back of Treliving's mind he thought he could try and get Grossmann the 10 or so games to create an asset to sign and trade to a team that didn't have the required Dmen to expose.
Also, this question is meaningless. Why would anyone think that Las Vegas would be taking a look at our ninth best defenceman instead of our fourth best?
It is not a question of if Las Vegas wants him or not, currently the Flames don't have a defenceman that meets this requirement for the expansion draft:
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All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:
i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
Assuming the Flames use a 7+3+1 protection scheme and Giordano, Brodie, & Hamilton are the d-men protected.
A few people assumed Grossman would be used to fill in that requirement even though he isn't signed for the 17/18 season. All he had to was play 12 games this season and sign an extension.
That didn't make a lot of sense to me as if the Flames really wanted to do that they would have signed him for two years.
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the ltir relief is calculated from the beginning of the season because that is when smid went on ltir. They know he is going to be gone for the entire year so to maximize the ltir available you want to be as close to the cap as possible, hence grossmann. His signing was to get to as close to the cap as possible so almost all of smid's 3.5 million would be ltir cap relief that they can go over the cap. Bottom line, this maneuver allows the flames to pick up a player with around 2.75m cap hit at the deadline instead of 2.18m. That is the benefit.
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I hope they re-sign Engelland at some point this year. Would not only give the Flames a defenseman who meets the expansion draft requirements, but would also guarantee the Flames to keep two of Engelland, Kulak and Jokipakka ... which would be great IMO.
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I hope they re-sign Engelland at some point this year. Would not only give the Flames a defenseman who meets the expansion draft requirements, but would also guarantee the Flames to keep two of Engelland, Kulak and Jokipakka ... which would be great IMO.
With all the dmen we have that are close to graduating (Kylington is probably close with another pro season under their belt) you almost want to expose kulak or Jokipakka to protect the forwards.
The boys on the afternoon show explained this very well. All to do with LTIR and cap gamesmanship. Any other outrage is just wasting energy. It was going to be a grossman or a face puncher....either way people would be mad.
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