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Old 09-11-2016, 09:35 AM   #121
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Same idea as baseball. The winning pitcher is the pitcher of record the last time the lead changed. Just replace winning pitcher with winning goal.
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Subban is incredible but Vlasic, Brodie, Keith, and Doughty are better. Subban is in that Giordano/Burns range.
Brodie/Vlasic are not better
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Subban has gotten the snub a couple of times now from Canada's international braintrust.

The Canadiens just traded him for a steadier defender.

There is a stink of smoke starting to settle around the guy. In the interview with Friedman, Carey Price basically says Subban is uncoachable.

I would not take Subban over Either Vlasic or Brodie for an international best on best tournament. Subban is not so good offensively to excuse how risky he chooses to be.

For an international tournament of best on best, Canada doesn't need offense on their backend at the expense of defense. A guy like Vlasic is a steady eddie out there with transitions the puck well to Canada's best asset: the forwards.

This is one of those things where you have to ask yourself: Do I really think I know better than Mike Babcock, Ken Hitchcock, Ken Holland, Joel Quennville etc. etc. They've left Subban off the team twice without looking like they've missed a beat.
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It's like this conversation happens every season. People post why Subban isn't good and a cancer in the locker room and then the season starts and he's all class and one of the best d-men in the league. I just don't get it.
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Old 09-11-2016, 11:48 AM   #125
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It sounds like Subban is a great guy (off the ice for sure), he also is a great personality for the game, and no one can deny is an incredible talent. It also seems like he is probably not "intentionally" an issue in the locker room. What is sounds like, is that he simply hasn't figured out that he may need to adapt some of the things he does, in order to create a better result for his team, despite how counter intuitive they may seem to him. I bet with every decision he has made where he's seemed defiant (to his team mates and coaches) he's truly had the best intentions for his team at heart.....but none the less they were still a mistake.

What the difference is at the NHL level, is that he is such a talent, that you are constantly looking at what I said above, versus all the good his raw talent creates, and you are trying to figure out whether you are better off enduring it, or moving on. For the Canadiens, based on the return they got and their team, they clearly finally decided to move on from him.

At a team Canada level, best on best team, you don't end up in that debate, because there are so many "game breakers" already on the roster, who also don't have an issue with their decision making that leaving a Subban off the roster is a far easier task than it would be for an NHL squad. You don't need his game breaking ability as badly, and the next in line is such a quality player that it makes the choice easy.
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