Unarmed Black Man Lying In The Street With Hands Up Gets Shot By Police

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody cares what you say V, you are on more ignore lists than any other poster on CP I bet. I wonder what former troll you were? My bet is GreenTeaFrapp.

Lol, yeah the guy who lives in Edmonton and cheers for the Oilers is secretly the dude who lives in Ottawa and cheers for the Senators. Nice work, Lou. You'll make sergeant for this.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody cares what you say V, you are on more ignore lists than any other poster on CP I bet. I wonder what former troll you were? My bet is GreenTeaFrapp.

Leave that sort of thing to Squiggy and The Dink, alright?

We've actually made detective.

[cracher]

Question for the gunslingers: The footage shows the police using rifles which, to my understanding, are fairly accurate weapons. My experience with firearms ends at original NES duck hunt. How far away do you have to be for it to be reasonable to miss your target that badly?

[V]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody cares what you say V, you are on more ignore lists than any other poster on CP I bet. I wonder what former troll you were? My bet is GreenTeaFrapp.

Haha, if there was ever an ignore list I assumed I was on, it was yours.

I've always been pretty honest with who I am on here. You're right, I did have a different username once, back in Lanny's heyday. That guy was creepy as hell. Most people know what my username was, but I'm sure your mad PC skillz will get you there.

[Wormius]

Could you guys get a room, please.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by cracher

Question for the gunslingers: The footage shows the police using rifles which, to my understanding, are fairly accurate weapons. My experience with firearms ends at original NES duck hunt. How far away do you have to be for it to be reasonable to miss your target that badly?

I have seen someone slice a golf ball at a 90 degree angle through the window of the golf pros office

Never underestimate how poorly someone without proper training can mess something up.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by cracher

Question for the gunslingers: The footage shows the police using rifles which, to my understanding, are fairly accurate weapons. My experience with firearms ends at original NES duck hunt. How far away do you have to be for it to be reasonable to miss your target that badly?

I'm not certain on the weapon used but I'm assuming it is a patrol carbine of some variant, very likely an AR15. They are extremely accurate, I would actually say they are a precision firearm in ideal conditions. I've shot them at 200 metres with iron sights and still put all my rounds on the target (not all perfect mind you but on the paper). This shooting looked to take place 25 to 50 metres away near as I can tell. So this makes me think a) the officer was extremely wired up on adrenaline b) like has basic basic knowledge and use of the firearm c) not a marksmen d) got tunnel vision and audio exclusion from the situation he perceived. This is where a supervisor on scene earns his pay. They had time and distance which is fantastic, it slows things down and allows for the proper decision to be made. Why weren't other officers deployed to different vantage points? Hypothetically, if this was a hostage situation you want a clear shot to neutralize the threat without collateral damage to the hostage.

This whole incident is a hot mess. I cannot fathom how this played out the way it did. I don't see any way the officer can justify his actions

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I have seen someone slice a golf ball at a 90 degree angle through the window of the golf pros office

Never underestimate how poorly someone without proper training can mess something up.

The police officer was a member of SWAT.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The police officer was a member of SWAT.

I know we like to think that means something but then we have situations like this...

[CroFlames]

He did not miss his target.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

He did not miss his target.

He says he did. And frankly, if you're going to make up a story, wouldn't "the weapon discharged unintentionally" sound better than "I was trying to shoot the handicapped man playing with the toy truck, but I'm a horrible shot with this deadly weapon I intentionally discharged in a public area"?

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I know we like to think that means something but then we have situations like this...

Yeah, my assumption is that SWAT would get significant firearms and tactics training and re-certify regularly (annually?) but I don't actually know.

[Wormius]

I am interested in how the call to 911 played out. Did somebody set this situation up? Was somebody actually threatening suicide or did some idiot think this would be a funny 911 prank? Or did they completely get the address wrong and miss the suicidal guy with the gun?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

He did not miss his target.

Yeah, I'm of this belief as well.

Rifle, SWAT member, relatively close. Doesn't really add up. I speculate that it was a trigger happy cop, probably spooked by something, shot an unarmed black man. The optics right now of that would be terrible, rightfully so.

But saying he intended to shoot a white man who they thought was holding a gun in order to save an unarmed man doesn't look as bad. Still absolutely baffling, but not nearly as bad.

Of course that explanation doesn't hold much weight when they ran over to Mr. Kinsey, could not explain why they shot him, and handcuffed him as he bled out....

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

He says he did. And frankly, if you're going to make up a story, wouldn't "the weapon discharged unintentionally" sound better than "I was trying to shoot the handicapped man playing with the toy truck, but I'm a horrible shot with this deadly weapon I intentionally discharged in a public area"?.

But now the officer can take the stand, say that he heard on radio that the autistic man had loaded his firearm (apparently some other idiot officer reported that) and say he saw what he believed to be a firearm in the man's hand. A man who was not complying with police orders. It gives him a defense. If the autistic man made any sudden move, or even was perceived to have, than the officer can try to justify why he was 'forced' to immediately act. And they can still talk about a perceived threat as to why they handcuffed Mr. Kinsey. It wouldn't be the first time that an officer was 'justified' in using lethal force because of a perceived threat, and wouldn't be the first time a bystander was caught in the crosshairs.

Unintentionally discharging a rifle multiple times and handcuffing Mr. Kinsey after said accident would probably be harder to defend. It at least shows gross negligence.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here, let me alter your post so it truly reflects the biggest problem in the U.S.

Please never quote and re-arrange my posts to support your backwards ass views again.

I don't understand your logic and it looks like nobody else does either. I guess if you are a cop, you are a bad cop who would protect your friends from justice. Otherwise I don't know why you'd be taking exception to my post in the first place.

Reading between the lines, your logic is that since we don't want innocent black people to die, we must want cops to die? Pretty messed up.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh crap, V. I hope you're not black, because you gunna get tranquilized!

Fixed for accuracy.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

He says he did. And frankly, if you're going to make up a story, wouldn't "the weapon discharged unintentionally" sound better than "I was trying to shoot the handicapped man playing with the toy truck, but I'm a horrible shot with this deadly weapon I intentionally discharged in a public area"?


Yeah, my assumption is that SWAT would get significant firearms and tactics training and re-certify regularly (annually?) but I don't actually know.

If only there were national standards for police and civilian oversight of departments we wouldn't all be in the dark about it.

I suppose that is useful though, when there is no written policy it is harderto be pinned down and charged/found guilty as was the case of the family of the Indian grandfather who was paralyzed during a takedown where the officer "slipped".

Oh well, who needs national standards for police when you have national standards for medicine, science, education...

Every state in the US fails to comply with international standards on the lethal use of force by law enforcement officers, according to a report by Amnesty International USA, which also says 13 US states fall beneath even lower legal standards enshrined in US constitutional law and that nine states currently have no laws at all to deal with the issue.

The stinging review comes amid a national debate over police violence and widespread protest following the high-profile deaths of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri; 43-year-old Eric Garner in New York; 50-year-old Walter Scott in South Carolina; and 25-year-old Freddie Gray in Baltimore – all unarmed black men killed by police within the past 11 months.

Amnesty USA’s executive director, Steven Hawkins, told the Guardian the findings represented a “shocking lack of fundamental respect for the sanctity of human life”.

“While law enforcement in the United States is given the authority to use lethal force, there is no equal obligation to respect and preserve human life. It’s shocking that while we give law enforcement this extraordinary power, so many states either have no regulation on their books or nothing that complies with international standards,” Hawkins said.

[dobbles]

so in the video that is online, you can plainly hear the caretaker tell police the guy doesnt have a weapon that its just a toy truck. so how does the officers 'story' justify the shooting? are the police so incompetent that none of them took the time to listen to the man? the shoot first mentality of U.S. police is why we now see innocent people die every week. there may not be racism involved, but you combine the massively incompetent police we continue to see in every city and state in the nation, with the fact that black people are statistically more likely to get encountered by hostile police, and that gives us the present situation. to add to it, the blue wall of silence makes all officers guilty by association. as another poster pointed out earlier, americans are OBSESSED with making all muslim groups condemn every single act of violence. yet police can never seem to find a single incident as out of bounds. and never do you hear law enforcement condemn themselves and own up to their incompetence.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Please never quote and re-arrange my posts to support your backwards ass views again.

I don't understand your logic and it looks like nobody else does either. I guess if you are a cop, you are a bad cop who would protect your friends from justice. Otherwise I don't know why you'd be taking exception to my post in the first place.

Reading between the lines, your logic is that since we don't want innocent black people to die, we must want cops to die? Pretty messed up.

This really is one of the biggest issues with police officers. They will lie, destroy evidence, leave out details, whatever, to save their own asses and not admit responsiblity. I truly believe its ingrained in their culture. To a point I don't blame them its human nature but at some point you have to do what is right. If you are there to enforce the law then enforce the law fairly across the board. There needs to be constant training to change this behaviour and systems in place where people can do the right thing without facing consequences from their peers. Cops don't speak out for a reason. And then when they do recieve criticism they take it as a personal attack. You should be held accountable and so should everyone you work with. If people suck at their job or screw up they should be held accountable and action should be taken to correct it otherwise you're fired. Police officers seem unable to handle this type of criticism and accept any type of responsibilty. Obviously there are good and bad people at every job but calling out bad cops isn't calling out all cops. The goal is to get better not be reluctant to any type of change because you take it as a personal attack.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Please never quote and re-arrange my posts to support your backwards ass views again.

I don't understand your logic and it looks like nobody else does either. I guess if you are a cop, you are a bad cop who would protect your friends from justice. Otherwise I don't know why you'd be taking exception to my post in the first place.

Reading between the lines, your logic is that since we don't want innocent black people to die, we must want cops to die? Pretty messed up.

I know you support cops dying, your other posts show as much. As for the others, you support BLM, you support murder and racism. Again, I am done on here. The trolls run wild and the mods don't have the balls to do anything about it. Posters like MMF and Resolute 14's sole purpose on CP is to stir the pot and troll and they have been doing it for years. How many people have been banned because of those two idiots? Many. So many quality posters have just left because of posters like that and it hurts the board but whatever, nobody cares. Read through this thread and the venom and hate that flows through it is ridiculous. I am a police officer, my job is to protect and serve, to value ALL LIVES. I want no part of a group that supports racism and murder. This is my last post so don't even bother responding, enjoy watching all the blood and hate on the media as most of you obviously get off on it.