[Rumour] Flames have reached out to UFA Matt Martin

[AC]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The best July 1st might be a July 1st where the Flames just stay out of the madness, and then take advantage of expansion and cap crunched teams.

Probably the smart way to go about things.

Gotta think Columbus is still the best team to take advantage of.
They have $3.93M left in cap space towards 12F + 7D + 3G. They have Seth Jones (!), and the bad Justin Falk as players to sign.

The Flames should do them a favour and try to take Atkinson as a $3.5M RW off their hands.

[N26]

Reading through this thread I am also wondering if we shouldn't be thinking about our "top 9-bottom 4" rather than "top 6- bottom 6"

I don't want a bottom 6 any more. That's what middle-of-the-pack and worse teams have. Let's get a top 9

Maybe:
Gaudreau-Monahan-???
Tkachuk-Bennett-???
Frolik-Backlund-Chiasson

Maybe it's a year away but if Shinkaruk or Poirier or Ferland or Bouma or, god forbid, Raymond could step up and fill one of those ???s and Treliving can do a little more trade magic we could have a top 9.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm thinking that'll be a part of the madness come UFA day. Teams wanting to grab a coveted UFA are going to want to dump a player here or there for next to nothing and so on. The lack of draft day madness has me at least hoping the insanity is going to kick up a notch on July 1.

Theres some tight to the cap teams that might be doing just that.

I think what is interesting is that it feels like player value is in flux - and there is a wider gap between what teams think they should get for their asset and what other teams will give them.

The teams who appear to be driving to difficult positions due to the expansion draft, seem intent to hold the line on value. It will be interesting to see how that plays out as that draft draws closer and closer. It appears there isn't a common view on value.

It is like having an entire league of Edmonton Oilers who over-rate their own players.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by N26

Reading through this thread I am also wondering if we shouldn't be thinking about our "top 9-bottom 4" rather than "top 6- bottom 6"

I don't want a bottom 6 any more. That's what middle-of-the-pack and worse teams have. Let's get a top 9

Maybe:
Gaudreau-Monahan-???
Tkachuk-Bennett-???
Frolik-Backlund-Chiasson

Maybe it's a year away but if Shinkaruk or Poirier or Ferland or Bouma or, god forbid, Raymond could step up and fill one of those ???s and Treliving can do a little more trade magic we could have a top 9.

Man that lineup would look good with a Colborne type player in it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think what is interesting is that it feels like player value is in flux - and there is a wider gap between what teams think they should get for their asset and what other teams will give them.

The teams who appear to be driving to difficult positions due to the expansion draft, seem intent to hold the line on value. It will be interesting to see how that plays out as that draft draws closer and closer. It appears there isn't a common view on value.

It is like having an entire league of Edmonton Oilers who over-rate their own players.

I agree. I believe we saw that with Fleury and Bishop at the draft especially. The prized jewels on those cap crunched teams' rosters won't be let go for a song but I do think you can get some excellent value on some players in the FW ranks. Much like the idea of Elliott where Allen's development kind of pushed him out the door even though he's the #1 is just what I mean.

I really think there's a RW option like that available on July to CGY. It's just picking off what team does it and with whom. . Pitt and Hornqvist. Hartnell and CLB and so one.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Man that lineup would look good with a Colborne type player in it.

I hear that Colborne guy is decent, but might cost a pretty penny. I see him as a more expensive, slightly older Colborne.

[chubeyr1]

First off this is not a Colborne thread lol! I like Joe, under 2.25 million I can forgive some of his blind passing to the other teams. Guy seems like a great teammate, a good community guy, his play on the ice while not spectacular is decent. Third line player at the above mentioned pay is in the right range. Short term contract. 1- 2 years, good for both player and team.

Someone will probably be willing to over pay a bit, Joe will need to decide if he wants to stay in Calgary his home town. I think he does, and to be honest he has the chance to play with some pretty good guys that can bump his point totals up.

Never the less this is a Matt Martin thread! Everyone keeps saying we dont need more bottom six players. Sure we have a plethora of bottom six forwards, are any of them any good?

Matt Martin is a combination of what we want Bollig, Bouma, and Ferland to be. Bollig is a plug, scares the hell out of me that Burke says he needs to play more! I hope he meant in the AHL!

Ferland, outside of a great playoff series in the playoffs he had a terrible year. 4 goals 14 assists -15. Had his chances too playing with good players. What scares me most is when he was not producing offensively his physical play was no where to be seen. Our best power forward on the team? When Bennett wasnt scoring he was our power forward. If I am not scoring I am going to hit someone! Ferland should learn from Bennett! My God Bennett was amazing this year. His physical play.

Matt Martin is a monster. Plays like Ferland did for the playoffs during all 82 regular season games. I love Matt Martin. Type of player that does not need a tap on the shoulder by the coach. If it moves he hits it. Really pisses off other teams. Would definately help our team, guys will be going after him instead of Gaudreau.

People may say Hathaway can play that role? I loved Hathaway, then he got hurt! Too small to play that role, never the less he really impressed me.

What is Martin worth? Glady pay 3 mill or less for him. An overpayment forsure!

Type of player though that would make this team better and open up the ice. Black and Blue player, big, tough as hell! Adds some offense too.

I like the guy what can I say!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Ferland, outside of a great playoff series in the playoffs he had a terrible year. 4 goals 14 assists -15. Had his chances too playing with good players. What scares me most is when he was not producing offensively his physical play was no where to be seen. Our best power forward on the team?

Ferland led the team in hits. Like, by a lot.

[djsFlames]

We just got Chiasson. No need...

Go after Boedker or Eriksson.

[Racki]

I think for many of us as it relates to Matt Martin is that we love the guy. Matt Martin at over $3,000,000 probably doesn't make sense, the naysayers are right. But I couldn't say no to him if we could get him on a Boumaesque deal.

[Neeper]

Yeah. I was totally on board until I saw the number he's asking for. What a shame. I'd love to have a guy like that on the team.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I hear that Colborne guy is decent, but might cost a pretty penny. I see him as a more expensive, slightly older Colborne.

Why would you roll the dice with colborne instead of going to the UFA market where you could get anyone, maybe even colborne.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Teroy

We don't need Martin. We have several extra bottom 6 players in the system.
We need a quality, young, RW.
We don't need another goalie. Sign Ortio. I never felt that he was given a fair chance.
Play exciting hockey, that's all that I ask.

To hell with these haggard withered up 27 year olds. The Flames should sign 12 year olds if it wasn't for their hands being tied by the CBA.

[oldschoolcalgary]

martin might be a solid player; i don't think anyone is questioning that.

that question is whether he is worth the asking price of 3-4 million dollars? For a bottom six player?

that's not a good deal... how many minutes will he actually get? How many important minutes?

of course, having good players in your bottom six is important... but saddling your team with guys getting overpaid to their role eventually ends up biting you in the behind. All you have to do is look at our lineup and the urgency to try dumping some of these contracts.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Matt Martin is like bigger Bouma that doesn't get injured. He's also a beast in the community and with charity work, so you know that goes a long ways with Flames upper management.

Love it.

In a league where it's becoming increasingly less necessary to carry an abundance of low skill players that can only be on the ice in controlled times, I fail to see how you draw this conclusion. The Flames were finally looking like they were going to follow the trend of having the bottom 6 being made up of somewhat skilled, efficient forwards that can slot up and down the lineup and it was nice to see.

Taking a step back for an over priced, somewhat similar version of Bollig/Bouma UFA makes no sense. Certainly we have internal options in Stockton that can be recalled should those services be necessary. If Treliving is actually considering this move I will be very disappointed in his judgement.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

In a league where it's becoming increasingly less necessary to carry an abundance of low skill players that can only be on the ice in controlled times, I fail to see how you draw this conclusion. The Flames were finally looking like they were going to follow the trend of having the bottom 6 being made up of somewhat skilled, efficient forwards that can slot up and down the lineup and it was nice to see.

Taking a step back for an over priced, somewhat similar version of Bollig/Bouma UFA makes no sense. Certainly we have internal options in Stockton that can be recalled should those services be necessary. If Treliving is actually considering this move I will be very disappointed in his judgement.

I would be very happy with Martin at $2.5~ million.

I've since changed my stance when it was reported he's looking for $3-4 million.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would be very happy with Martin at $2.5~ million.

I've since changed my stance when it was reported he's looking for $3-4 million.

Adding Martin, even for 2.5M per, would put the Flames at roughly 7M in AAV between him, Bouma, Bollig and Ferland....I don't think that benefits the roster in any way, shape or form.

Kinda similar to those crummy bags of trail mix that have way too many raisins compared to everything else.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would be very happy with Martin at $2.5~ million.

I've since changed my stance when it was reported he's looking for $3-4 million.

Agreed. Martin is a guy you win with which is why so many teams want him. I'm fine with 2.5


He plays like Ferland did against Vancouver ALL SEASON LONG. Good in the community too

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by neo45

Agreed. Martin is a guy you win with which is why so many teams want him. I'm fine with 2.5


He plays like Ferland did against Vancouver ALL SEASON LONG. Good in the community too

And maybe he can help Ferland become the player we hope he can be.

The two of them could be one hell of a force together.

[saillias]

Boomer downplayed this on the FAN this morning, says yeah they've reached out to Martin but they've also reached out to 20 other UFAs because that's what BT does, and don't get too excited.