[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Guess Brad Treliving fired up his "into the sun cannon" this morning and just set it on auto.

Wideman's still here.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Matty81

You don't need to have the space today, you can clear it out later so anyone can make an offer.

I gotta disagree on it being awesome. Teams only sign offer sheets in two scenarios, to try and offer more than the original team wants/can fit with the legit goal of stealing the payer, or to screw over a rival cap wise.

Say a team misses Stamkos and goes crazy and offers him 8-8.5 mil a year. The Flames get two first rounders and some other lower picks, with no guarantee those firsts are anything more than picks in the 15-30 range. Terrible value for Monahan.

And if the Flames just match, they've lost 1.5 to 2 million in cap space going forward when market value for Monahan based on Barkov and Forsberg is clearly around 6 mil now.

I have less than zero worries. The boogeyman of an offer sheet gets trotted out every year and save for Penner and Vanek I can't think of an instance where it has come to fruition. And how long ago were those two? Ages. Monahan will sign, everything will be fine. Offer sheet fears are the click bait of late June.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I doubt the Flames see Colborne as a 44 point player. Not everybody is fooled by his unsustainable hot streak to end the year.

even if they don't they see him as a lot more than a 14 point forward. You need to give it up man because there is nothing that suggests you are even close to being right.

Originally Posted by DJones

Weird how quiet it's been. If we lose him and Nakladal that's a mark on Treliving.

Losing minor leaguers is not a mark on any GM

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by DJones

Weird how quiet it's been. If we lose him and Nakladal that's a mark on Treliving.

If we lose Nakladal that's a black mark on Feaster for giving Wideman a NMC, high $ , back loaded contract. Unless Wideman is traded or bought out , there is no room for Nakladal.

[bigrangy]

Besides, if you're throwing an offer sheet at a young center this summer, you're going to target Nate Mackinnon, not Monahan. I can't believe both of them aren't signed yet.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Shinkaruk-Jankowski-Pribyl
Klimchuk-Hamilton-Poirier
Mangiapane-Pollock-Caroll
Raymond-Lomberg?-Smith

Only hole seems to be a filler 4C. Unless the plan is Hamilton in the NHL. Either way AHL 4Cs are usually AHL-contracts.

Then a year from now they may want to bring in a guy like Karnaukhov.

I think Shinkaruk will be up with the big club. With Chiasson coming on board and them still apparently trying to sign Jooris, I think Hathaway starts in the minors.

Raymond-Jankowski-Pribyl
Klimchuk-Hamilton-Poirier
Mangiapane-Pollock-Hathaway
Smith-Lomberg-Caroll
Bollig

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

An offer sheet to Monahan would be awesome. Either it's reasonable and the Flames match so we're done there or it's ridiculous and the Flames get like 4 first round picks.

And what team has the space for said offer sheet? It's not a worry. It will not happen. A contract will be agreed upon and everyone will move forward all happy holding hands and skipping through fields of daisies.

Great, 4 first round picks that have no guarantee of being as good as Monahan AND it's a massiv step back in our rebuild. Pass.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Losing minor leaguers is not a mark on any GM

Those guys aren't minor league guys.

Cheap and efficient bottom pairing/4th liners are essential.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by DJones

Those guys aren't minor league guys.

Cheap and efficient bottom pairing/4th liners are essential.

He'll only lose them if they aren't cheap, which I think is what the issue might be at this point.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I have less than zero worries. The boogeyman of an offer sheet gets trotted out every year and save for Penner and Vanek I can't think of an instance where it has come to fruition. And how long ago were those two? Ages. Monahan will sign, everything will be fine. Offer sheet fears are the click bait of late June.

I agree that it's pretty rare, like one every 2 years or so on average, but the Shea Weber and Ryan O'Reilly offer sheets in the last 3 or 4 years were pretty destructive for the teams even though they matched. We basically screwed Colorado over completely and played a big role in them having to move O'Reilly early and our two biggest rival teams in Vancouver and Edmonton have tons of cap room, Vancouver in particular is desperate for centres.

Unlikely, but why expose yourself to the risk, should have been priority number 1B after getting a goalie, and they've had all year.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by DJones

Those guys aren't minor league guys.

Cheap and efficient bottom pairing/4th liners are essential.

True but not anything awe inspiring, I wouldn't see it as a black mark on him.... maybe a grey mark but only because trying to deal with Wideman and Smid contracts isn't as easy as everyone seems to make them out to be. Smid is basically impossible to move, Wideman there's still a lot of recent drama that makes it difficult to move and if we see him as a lame duck to have on the team I'm sure others do as well.

However, in that same breath I think Nak gets a decent contract and look forward to seeing him again next year.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by FeyWest

True but not anything awe inspiring, I wouldn't see it as a black mark on him.... maybe a grey mark but only because trying to deal with Wideman and Smid contracts isn't as easy as everyone seems to make them out to be. Smid is basically impossible to move, Wideman there's still a lot of recent drama that makes it difficult to move and if we see him as a lame duck to have on the team I'm sure others do as well.

However, in that same breath I think Nak gets a decent contract and look forward to seeing him again next year.

If we lost Nakladal, Byron, Grant, and Schlemko because we couldn't get rid of contracts I think that mark will get a little darker.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I agree that it's pretty rare, like one every 2 years or so on average, but the Shea Weber and Ryan O'Reilly offer sheets in the last 3 or 4 years were pretty destructive for the teams even though they matched. We basically screwed Colorado over completely and played a big role in them having to move O'Reilly early and our two biggest rival teams in Vancouver and Edmonton have tons of cap room, Vancouver in particular is desperate for centres.

Unlikely, but why expose yourself to the risk, should have been priority number 1B after getting a goalie, and they've had all year.

Good point with those two, I'd forgotten them. The lesson being "don't match stupid offer sheets". I'm not worried about it and this management group has given indications that they're prone to screwing up contract negotiations. Let's argue about Grant and Nakladal instead! That's the juicy stuff offseason threads are made of.

[Stay Golden]

Must be trying to negotiate with Colborne, Jooris and Ortio.
Not sure about the rest. Can't see letting the remainder of that entire list walk.

[Volatile]

Could one of the posters who are high on Colborne explain to me why he's such a great asset? All I've really seen is that he's tall and had 20 goals... am I missing something?

I have a completely different opinion and every time I see him on the ice I cringe so I'm quite glad to see this and hope he doesn't get signed. He doesn't have the compete factor.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Volatile

Could one of the posters who are high on Colborne explain to me why he's such a great asset? All I've really seen is that he's tall and had 20 goals... am I missing something?

I have a completely different opinion and every time I see him on the ice I cringe so I'm quite glad to see this and hope he doesn't get signed. He doesn't have the compete factor.

He's tall, good on the boards, and scored 20 goals.

What more do you need to know?

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm not too worried about offer sheets to a guy like Monahan, its really not going to happen.

Offer sheets completely screw your franchises future.

I love Mony but no team is going to pay their next four years of firsts which is what its going to cost youif you offer 9 million plus

Besides you open your self up to some nasty retaliation.

Lets say Mony gets a offer sheet from Edmonton for 8 million bucks, because frankly anything there and below your going to match. But lets say they offer 8 million bucks which is 2 firsts a second and a third, and you get it, you're now overpaying (sorry Mony) for a long term deal which it would really have to be.

But then when someone like McDavid comes open, Calgary puts in a retailiation offer to either destroy your cap or steal back an asset.

There aren't many RFA offers because the GM's know that if they go nuts on it you risk wrecking your salary structure, and maybe losing a better more prized player down the road.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Volatile

Could one of the posters who are high on Colborne explain to me why he's such a great asset? All I've really seen is that he's tall and had 20 goals... am I missing something?

I have a completely different opinion and every time I see him on the ice I cringe so I'm quite glad to see this and hope he doesn't get signed. He doesn't have the compete factor.

You make it seem like 20 goals isn't impressive at all. There are a lot of players with full time NHL jobs who didn't score 20 goals last year.

I'm not even a big Colborne fan, but he's far from a useless pylon that would make me "cringe" every time he's on the ice.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DJones

He's tall, good on the boards, and scored 20 goals.

What more do you need to know?

I believe that he is weak on the boards and also weak on the puck.

He is tall.

He scored 20 goals once.

He does have upside but is 26 years old.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by DJones

If we lost Nakladal, Byron, Grant, and Schlemko because we couldn't get rid of contracts I think that mark will get a little darker.

Why? I don't understand this both Wideman and Smid are not Tre's fault. It's a lot more complex than you are making it out to be.

Byron we've essentially got back with Chiasson.

Schlemko was a 6/7 Dman much like Nak is right now and if Smid is LTIR this isn't an issue (and is easily sent to the Minors).

Grant hasn't even really played at all so I don't see how he is in this convo at all.

Wideman is the only guy I'd be willing to Buyout but aside from that I'm more than happy waiting out the contract to expire than have to pay dead money for another year after. To trade him we need a trade partner & also Wideman needs to waive.

I can understand it's your opinion but I don't think many here are going to get out the pitchforks calling for Treliving's head if all of the above players you're worried about are moved on. Yes I would be disappointed if Nakladal is lost but he is a veteran player that we have options in the minors to replace him.