[Trade] ANA trades Andersen to TOR for #30 and 2017 2nd, Signs 5 years with TOR

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am going to come out and say it even though I got no evidence. What appears to be going on in Toronto stinks of some serious tampering or behind the scenes deals here. Too many things just seem to be aligning up quite nicely for them.

If Stamkos decides to go to Toronto I am going to be even more convinced. Like I said I got zero evidence but too many things here are pointing to something that's starting to stink.

....like what?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Wait, you mean a team paid considerably more for a younger (albeit just a year younger) starting goalie than an older backup? Say it ain't so!

No, the Leafs paid considerably more for an inferior goaltender playing on a superior defensive team.

I mean, he would be an upgrade for us, but not at the cost of a first and second rounder, plus around $27.5 million. - even accounting for the fact that the first rounder was #30.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am going to come out and say it even though I got no evidence. What appears to be going on in Toronto stinks of some serious tampering or behind the scenes deals here. Too many things just seem to be aligning up quite nicely for them.

If Stamkos decides to go to Toronto I am going to be even more convinced. Like I said I got zero evidence but too many things here are pointing to something that's starting to stink.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, the Leafs paid considerably more for an inferior goaltender playing on a superior defensive team.

I mean, he would be an upgrade for us, but not at the cost of a first and second rounder, plus around $27.5 million. - even accounting for the fact that the first rounder was #30.

I'm not so sure the Ducks system is defensively superior to what the Rangers were doing at that time.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

The 2nd would be Ottawa's or San Jose's next year (the Leaf's pick is committed to Pittsburgh as a conditional pick in the Kessel deal), so I'm not sure 30 plus one of those picks is much better than 35+54 and certainly wouldn't be as good as 35+54+56

Isn't the Kessel trade complete now? Since the Pens made the playoffs, the Leafs got their 1st rounder (30th) in 2016 and the Pens get their 2nd rounder (61st overall) back from the Leafs (aquired last year in the Daniel Winnik trade).

The 2017 2nd round pick only went into affect if the Pens missed the playoffs this year and made it next year.

[PepsiFree]

Man, if Toronto has to tamper in order to pay two high draft picks for a young potential starter with middling numbers and a few question marks?

I say let them tamper.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm not so sure the Ducks system is defensively superior to what the Rangers were doing at that time.

Maybe not, but then again Andersen's numbers in the NHL are a step behind Talbot's two seasons in NYR.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Isn't the Kessel trade complete now? Since the Pens made the playoffs, the Leafs got their 1st rounder (30th) in 2016 and the Pens get their 2nd rounder (61st overall) back from the Leafs (aquired last year in the Daniel Winnik trade).

The 2017 2nd round pick only went into affect if the Pens missed the playoffs this year and made it next year.

not according to Prosportstransactions, but the wording of the conditions in that trade could be interpreted in multiple ways. Although I think you are correct.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Can you be more specific? This looks like a pretty typical deal for an emerging starting goalie judging from history. I don't get why you would think there is any tampering involved.

Like I said I have zero evidence but I recall the ownership and management of the Sabers being livid because they were convinced a deal was in principle to bring over Babcock for a 9 year term @ the same salary that he ended up signing in Toronto. Rumors that Bobcock had zero intension to to go to Buffalo and just strung them along for his benefit. Like I said, zero evidence and Babcock can sign and deal wherever he wants but its interesting.

Stamkos and all the signs a year ago pointing that Tampa had a super strong chance of signing him July 1 or a little bit later. It does appear that he is heading to FA which is his right but if decides to settle for a massive contract on July 1st with Toronto with everything else that has happened, I don't know how you can't say that perhaps some backroom deals didn't occur or at least a blue print for their plan.

Jimmy Vesey's lack of signing with the Preds. I don't recall anything specific other than hearing this was a surprise to the management of the team. I believe a relative of his such as his father is an employee there in scouting, development etc. Not sure but if he does sign there, which would be his right but I would question motives and tampering.

The masterful tank job that led to 1st overall pick. I think the draft lotto was 100% honest and that Toronto got lucky but I potentially question some of the injuries and IR moves that may have kept better players off the ice. Buffalo also did something similar in previous years with trading away goalies who started to win a few games. Maybe I am just a bitter Flames fan since we never tanked on purpose but it hasn't resulted in an improved DRAFT position. Not suggesting I am not happy with Monahan (#6) (Bennett #4) or where we are now (#6) but it would have been beneficial for the team to have had a higher draft position at least in this years draft.

Like I said no evidence but things are coming together very very quickly with some surprising deals. Within a few minutes of the trade deal Anderson was signed to a 5 year extension? I wish all contracts were done in that short of time.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm not so sure the Ducks system is defensively superior to what the Rangers were doing at that time.

I am. That's not to take anything away from the Rangers defence, but Lundqvist was on another planet. That's why Talbot got blocked.

Andersen improves the Leafs, no question. But I'm saying Toronto did not get a bargain.

[Dr. Doom]

Too much term and money IMO

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Maybe not, but then again Andersen's numbers in the NHL are a step behind Talbot's two seasons in NYR.

Significantly smaller sample size too. There was much more risk with Talbot that is why Andersen garnered more in a trade.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I am. That's not to take anything away from the Rangers defence, but Lundqvist was on another planet. That's why Talbot got blocked.

Andersen improves the Leafs, no question. But I'm saying Toronto did not get a bargain.

I never once said it was a bargain. I said it wasn't a steep price like some are suggesting, I also said it wasn't a steal.

[greyshep]

I am kinda surprised how many on here are trying to make Andersen sound like an average-weak goalie. Time will tell I suppose. Analytics are sure becoming a crutch it seems. He seemed like a pretty solid goalie to me.

[dustygoon]

Pretty good chance Anaheim go after Reimer to tandem with Gibson. Friedman mentioned last year that Murray not convinced of Gibson's durability.

[GoJetsGo]

Quite a few people rushing to salivate over this trade on the first few pages completely missed this was a deal that would not have been available to a divisional rival like Calgary at the same price tag.

For me that is a lot of money and term for a guy I'm not sold as a true #1.

I agree with those who pointed out it will be interesting to see how he does behind Toronto's blue-line.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I never once said it was a bargain. I said it wasn't a steep price like some are suggesting, I also said it wasn't a steal.

I can agree with that. I think the deal is on the high end of "fair" and I also agree that Andersen improves the Leafs in goal. I'm still not convinced that he is much better than a slightly better-than-average NHL starter.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Pretty good chance Anaheim go after Reimer to tandem with Gibson. Friedman mentioned last year that Murray not convinced of Gibson's durability.

If I was Reimer I would choose Calgary over Anaheim. This is his chance to establish himself as a true number one goalie. If he goes to Anaheim I doubt he will get that chance barring a Gibson injury.

Unless Reimer's experience in Toronto completely soured him on a Canadian market, not sure.

[PeteMoss]

Stolen from twitter:

bernier last three years: .915 in 151 games.

andersen last three years: .918 in 125 games.

appx 12 fewer goals against over three years!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by greyshep

I am kinda surprised how many on here are trying to make Andersen sound like an average-weak goalie. Time will tell I suppose. Analytics are sure becoming a crutch it seems. He seemed like a pretty solid goalie to me.

I personally don't think he is weak - I just think is he average. He was an average goalie on a team with great team defense - IMO you probably don't want to pay a premium for that.

Of goalies that played 60 or more games over the past 2 seasons he ranks 22nd in overall Save Percentage with a .916 save percentage. IMO that is pretty average, especially when you consider he played on a pretty strong defensive team.

The Leafs paid a fair price IMO - really the 2 2nds is not terrible. Not a great deal but not terrible. Sounds like the Flames would have had to pay more though, especially with what some of the Calgary media was rumoring in regards to the cost for Andersen, and that is more what I was concerned about.