16/17 Goalie Situation

[dammage79]

Please, Just no more Ramo and no more Hiller. Let them pursue other opportunities.

I'm interested to see what Backstrom can do.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The fact that you disagree is fine. But what I don't get is the insistence that adding a stop-gap for 20 practically meaningless games was a top priority for Flames management. To me, and based on what looks to me to be a clear plan to fix the goaltending problem in the summer, your preferred solution does not make a bit of sense. Maybe we are misunderstanding you, but I don't think you have provided a justifiably better alternative to the current plan.

yes I think there's a misunderstanding.

With this goaltending business, you have to start somewhere.
I’m not saying that they needed to acquire their future starter by the deadline.
But I do think that they could have acquired a “potential starter” with worst case being “solid backup” by this deadline.
Hell maybe they acquired someone that didn’t even work out. But you have to start somewhere.
Take the Leafs with Sparks, or the Oilers with Brossoit – they are taking a lost season and giving them a runway to finish to see what they have. And it does appear to work (less pressure).
What are we doing? It’s the definition of insanity what we’re doing. (same thing over, expecting a different result).
Hartley obviously doesn’t like Ortio so what’s the point.
My biggest concern is we go into next season with two new goalies and we rinse and repeat goaltending uncertainty just as we did this season. Kinda like ground hog day…

PS I'm done guys I appreciate your views I really do.
It's Friday and now I need a good stiff drink, obviously Hiller is getting to me!
Hah

[JiriHrdina]

Now I'm totally confused - isn't going into next season with two new goalies pretty much the only option?
Again - we don't know to what extent they attempted to address the goaltending. You are assuming that they could have acquired a 'potential starter' or solid backup. Based on what? And for what price?
And what is the upside in giving up an asset at the deadline v. addressing in the off-season?

[Bandwagon Surfer]

I will admit that I like the bad goaltender situation this season. Unlike other issues, it lets me delude myself into thinking there could be a change made which will drastically improve the team. Not true (I see a bunch of holes elsewhere), but it still gives me an easy mental scapegoat to avoid having to accept how bad this team actually is.

[Fire]

Matt Murray would be a Flame right now if the Penguins were willing to trade him. Treliving was apparently after Martin Jones in the off-season as well. In hindsight Treliving should have offered more for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he overpays, either in a trade or in free agency in order to get a capable goalie. I would be shock if goaltending is still a mess going into next season.

[Icon]

With Lundquist injured, we'll see how Rantaa looks in a starters role for a bit... Could affect his free angency value up or down depending on how he does.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Fire

Matt Murray would be a Flame right now if the Penguins were willing to trade him. Treliving was apparently after Martin Jones in the off-season as well. In hindsight Treliving should have offered more for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he overpays, either in a trade or in free agency in order to get a capable goalie. I would be shock if goaltending is still a mess going into next season.

Isn't Rutherford the GM in Pits? Isn't he really really bad? I think the pens will get bounced early in the playoffs and I think he might change his mind on things and sell part of the future for immediate help or at least someone who's closer to impacting the team. I still think there is a good chance to get Murray.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

... With this goaltending business, you have to start somewhere.
I’m not saying that they needed to acquire their future starter by the deadline.
But I do think that they could have acquired a “potential starter” with worst case being “solid backup” by this deadline...

Guessing about what deals a GM could have made is a fool's errand. The Flames actually did exactly what you have suggested in picking up Poulin from TB for future considerations.

... What are we doing? It’s the definition of insanity what we’re doing. (same thing over, expecting a different result).

This is not the definition of insanity

And what on earth makes you think that the Flames are expecting any different results from their goalies to end the season? It seems much more reasonable to me that with their pulse on the current market, management has concluded that the conditions have not been right to make the necessary changes. It's fair to criticise them for not having addressed the goaltending situation adequately to begin the season, but we need to move on from that. The Flames look to have moved on, but are still working to fix the problem—which means getting the player they want for a price they are willing to pay.

Hartley obviously doesn’t like Ortio so what’s the point.

Hartley has been highly complimentary of Ortio following his most recent game. He has given Ortio the majority of starts in the past two weeks. I would say the point is to continue evaluating, and encouraging a goalie under contract to play his best. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

My biggest concern is we go into next season with two new goalies and we rinse and repeat goaltending uncertainty just as we did this season. Kinda like ground hog day…

This makes no sense in light of your opening statement in which you advocated for acquiring a "'potential starter' with worst case being 'solid backup'." Ignoring that, is the solution in your mind now to acquire a quality, seasoned, veteran starter? If so, who do you have in mind?

[AltaGuy]

Varlamov would be incredibly enticing to me. In his prime, and plays behind a pretty bad defensive team. Has shown that at his best he can be a top-5 NHL goalie. I don't think even Bishop or Andersen are in his league.

[Strange Brew]

If the pick acquired in the Russell trade becomes a first that would be a great trade chip for a goalie. Jones was acquired for a first and a prospect.

[Roof-Daddy]

Lehner was also nabbed with a late 1st.

[Caged Great]

More reason to cheer for Dallas. That pick becoming a first will pretty much directly translate into a new goalie.

[Roof-Daddy]

What young back up goalies the caliber of Lehner or Jones are out there this year though?

Andersen?

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

1. Ortio is terrible. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=120919

2. Pavelec is not tradeable, Hellebuyck can't stay down, therefore Hutchinson. Michael Hutchinson or Ondrej Pavelec

3. And between BT not mentioning goaltending as a need last HNIC, or Burke saying post-deadline that they will address it in the off-season, there is no immediate plan here. These guys must love a tanking team...

2. Re Hutchinson for pick - I did not know that you knew what WPG would accept for a play. Maybe you should contact BT directly for a job, I bet he would value that kind of insider information

3a. I did not know they needed to say that goal tending needed addressing every single time they spoke to the media, everyone knows this already cause they do not have anyone signed for next season

3b. BB (maybe even BT) said before TD that the goal tending would likely have to wait til the off season as it is not a good time, strong market, easy to find a partner this time a year for that kind of deal.

[Da_Chief]

Rannta with an impressive performance in a win over the Caps on the road. Him heading to UFA would be my #1 target. Young, athletic, Finnish, doesn't rely on his size (as he's not big).

My other choice would be Steve Mason if they're going with Neuvirth moving forward.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Rannta with an impressive performance in a win over the Caps on the road. Him heading to UFA would be my #1 target. Young, athletic, Finnish, doesn't rely on his size (as he's not big).

My other choice would be Steve Mason if they're going with Neuvirth moving forward.

I have been thinking the same.

What you you offer Raanta?

[Textcritic]

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Would 2 x $2.5 get it done? Too much?

[Samonadreau]

I think that would get it done. I was thinking 2×2.... I was trying to think of other teams looking to spend with an open spot. Plus Raanta would know he would be playing for the starting position and not many other teams can offer that.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I have been thinking the same.

What you you offer Raanta?

It depends. I think the competition would be these 3 teams. Everyone else has a starter. Raanta likely looking for playing time.

Carolina - Lack hasn't been great but still would take away starts from Raanta.
Arizona - Smith signed long-term, can the low budget Coyotes offer something competitive.
Toronto - Their re-build has shown two things, they will spend money to acquire assets but have no desire to win yet. Plus Bernier is still around.

I think if the Flames came in with an offer of 2 year 2-3 mill, they should get him.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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Would 2 x $2.5 get it done? Too much?

I wonder if that would be enough, but how many other teams would be looking for a starter next season? Raanta would be my preference as well.