If Hartley is fired, who would replace him?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Spector put out an article on Sportsnet hinting the players might be getting tired of Hartley

Spector should point out a team that doesn't get tired of their coach.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Spector should point out a team that doesn't get tired of their coach.

Hartley is a pretty hard ass coach, and he's been whipping the players pretty good in his time here, even in Feaster's hail mary move to bring him in; his year of taking the vets for one last push (and Sarich, Jones, Tanguay, to name 3 were direct casualties).That includes last year especially, pushing all the buttons to get the most out of the young guys towards the playoff push. In the end, the end justifies the means, ask the 2004 Flames under Sutter.

With that being his style, eventually (and maybe sooner than other coaching styles) Hartley's message and motivational tactics will start to lose it's impact if the roster stays more of less the same, and if the results aren't there as they aren't this season, the "means" come into question.

Is that happening so far this year? Who knows.

[Armchair Quarterback]

Boy, this thread sure is quiet today.

[Jay Random]

Clearly Hartley must be fired now, and I mean like ten minutes ago. The team should replace him with Dallas Eakins (and hire Mike Milbury as the new GM).

Stuff like beating the Pens 5-2 has got to stop. He's mellowing our harsh!

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Armchair Quarterback

Boy, this thread sure is quiet today.

It's amazing what 2 wins in a row can do to this forum. Hopefully it will put an end to all this nonsense.

[Northendzone]

I was looking for a how long should we extend bob Hartley for? thread

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Armchair Quarterback

Boy, this thread sure is quiet today.

Where's polak? He was the most vocal about canning Bob.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Where's polak? He was the most vocal about canning Bob.

shocking

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browna

Hartley is a pretty hard ass coach, and he's been whipping the players pretty good in his time here, even in Feaster's hail mary move to bring him in; his year of taking the vets for one last push (and Sarich, Jones, Tanguay, to name 3 were direct casualties).That includes last year especially, pushing all the buttons to get the most out of the young guys towards the playoff push. In the end, the end justifies the means, ask the 2004 Flames under Sutter.

With that being his style, eventually (and maybe sooner than other coaching styles) Hartley's message and motivational tactics will start to lose it's impact if the roster stays more of less the same, and if the results aren't there as they aren't this season, the "means" come into question.

Is that happening so far this year? Who knows.

Hartley strikes me as the kind of coach that when things are going well, he's your best friend and you never want the good times to end. But when things are going bad, you probably want to hide from him. He reminds me of Keenan in that respect, but without the unorthodox coaching decisions.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I actually do wonder about how 'hard' Bob Hartley is. Yes, he is absolutely a very demanding coach. However, everything you read about him also paints a picture of enormous support and even 'cheerleading'.

Make a huge mistake, or show a lack of commitment, and Hartley definitely goes after you. However, he is a teacher and a motivator. It seems he does both. Somewhat like if you could clone a Darryl Sutter with a Bob Johnson.

All coaches get fired - Darryl Sutters and Bob Johnsons (and Scotty Bowmans) included. I just think that perhaps his coaching style doesn't get that worn out as quickly as people may think.

Even then, with the 'hard line coaches' seem to last longer than people think. Hitchcock just passed his 4 year mark with St. Louis. Though one could argue they are underachieving, they still play a very 'Hitchcock-like' game and I would say goaltending (and now the cap) is keeping them from taking the next step.

Darryl Sutter is approaching 4 years. One could make the argument that last season he 'lost the room', but thus far it sure doesn't look that way at all, and it is more plausible that all the distractions the Kings went through were a bigger reason for their fall, in conjunction with just being a tired team. They are definitely a team right now that don't seem to have tuned out Darryl.

Joel Quenneville is yet another of these 'hard-ass' coaches, and he has been with Chicago for the last 7 years. Success trumps anything, but even then, the 'tuning out' of these hard-ass coaches is perhaps not exactly a given.

All 3 of the above coaches are deeply respected by the players. I think the best coaches in the NHL are the ones that are indeed 'hard', but also fair and build players up at the same time as destroying them, and always seem to have their players' backs in the media, while also being competent. Players respect this, and I think that players don't tune them out.

However, be a hard coach, and a bit incompetent, or don't support your players - yeah, you aren't going to last at all. I would say Hartley isn't 'harder' than the 3 I listed above, and you can hear him publicly praising his players and often defending them. You just don't tune-out coaches like that.

He is demanding. But he will also give you multiple chances and try his best to build you up into a better player. He praised Monahan for being so good defensively, but demanded he put up better numbers. Same thing with Backlund. He even did the same thing with Wotherspoon (the whole "don't limit yourself in just being good defensively. You can be a good 2-way guy" speech).

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hartley strikes me as the kind of coach that when things are going well, he's your best friend and you never want the good times to end. But when things are going bad, you probably want to hide from him. He reminds me of Keenan in that respect, but without the unorthodox coaching decisions.

Super random, but your post reminded me of Kelly Hrudey speaking about Al Arbour. He was very much the opposite of what you described. When things were going bad he was tough in practice but always very positive and motivational. He was sure to praise a guy when he did even the smallest thing right. When they were winning he was the hardest coach on the face of the earth. Nothing was ever good enough. You could be riding high from a big win and Arbour would let you know that there's always better.

It's always interesting to see how coaches approach situations differently.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Armchair Quarterback

Boy, this thread sure is quiet today.

what did you expect?

you change coaches when you need to shake up your team. right now it doesn't need a shakeup.

not really that hard to understand

[Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

what did you expect?

you change coaches when you need to shake up your team. right now it doesn't need a shakeup.

not really that hard to understand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour

The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I think Hartley was the perfect coach to instill an identity. Perfect to start the rebuild.

Soon we'll need a coach with a better ability to use his lineup and make usage decisions. Many here disagree, and I get that, but many of his ideas seen to be a bit antiquated.


He's an NHL coach for sure, but not one that's going to take this or any roster here past "good"

Which ideas in particular do you find antiquated. Just curious.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Hmm, weird. I replied to a Street Pharmacist post, but somehow it got posted above his original post. Must be something with the maintenance today I am assuming?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

what did you expect?

you change coaches when you need to shake up your team. right now it doesn't need a shakeup.

not really that hard to understand

Relax man. The thread is dumb anyway (IMO)

It's fine for people to believe the reigning coach of the year doesn't deserve any extra leeway, but many won't agree.

You are right though, the Flames should have changed coaches when they needed a shakeup in 2010 and didn't. That team was supposed to get past the first round.

[Street Pharmacist]

I think Hartley was the perfect coach to instill an identity. Perfect to start the rebuild.

Soon we'll need a coach with a better ability to use his lineup and make usage decisions. Many here disagree, and I get that, but many of his ideas seen to be a bit antiquated.


He's an NHL coach for sure, but not one that's going to take this or any roster here past "good"

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I think Hartley was the perfect coach to instill an identity. Perfect to start the rebuild.

Soon we'll need a coach with a better ability to use his lineup and make usage decisions. Many here disagree, and I get that, but many of his ideas seen to be a bit antiquated.


He's an NHL coach for sure, but not one that's going to take this or any roster here past "good"

I totally disagree. He is the perfect coach to take us to the promised land.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I totally disagree. He is the perfect coach to take us to the promised land.

Honestly I've always thought the same. He's got the experience. He knows how to push buttons. He's a great motivator and he wants to be part of the solution. He single-handedly changed the culture of this team when things were looking pretty bleak. And now that this early season slump appears to (hopefully) be turning the corner, it's back to business as usual with him. As with some players, some coaches are just made for a certain franchise. We've waited for a coach like him since the day Darryl Sutter stepped down from behind the bench.

If the Flames are going to win the cup when our window opens, I sure as hell hope it's Hartley leading the way.

[Vinny01]

It was almost looking like the team was quitting on Hartleynwarly in the year. They just didn't play even close to the style that made them successful.

The past 7 games or so you could see it turning and they are now once again looking like the team that surprised the hockey world last year and got Bob his Jack Adams trophy