Ramo vs Hiller vs Ortio: The Debate

[Da_Chief]

Ramo and Hiller both are useless. Get Ortio in there for couple games in a row if he falters, then trade for a goalie. Don't let the season go down the drain.

I'd target one of Blues goalies. Elliott or Allen.

[Timbo]

If BT's plan was to move a goalie when in a position of strength, then that plan is quickly fading and we will end up losing an asset for little or no return.

[FBI]

Just thinking if we are able to trade Ramo for anything like a 4th or 5th, we actually just gained an asset by picking him up as a UFA. Wouldn't be bad.

[Badgers Nose]

The only one I want to keep is Ortio, because there are still some unanswered questions there. But I think we know, and everyone else knows, what we have in the other two.

Never mind picks, it would be great to lose one or both to waivers just to be rid of the contract(s) at this point.

[Samonadreau]

Some are saying that it wouldnt be good to put Ortio in right now when we are sucking and ruin his confidence, i say bull#$@! - we threw him into the tire fire last year and he stole some games for us. Team could get a boost out of it to seeing a goalie steal a game.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Some are saying that it wouldnt be good to put Ortio in right now when we are sucking and ruin his confidence, i say bull#$@! - we threw him into the tire fire last year and he stole some games for us. Team could get a boost out of it to seeing a goalie steal a game.

If they don`t play him soon, it will become an issue... How long can he stay in the press box and still be sharp.

3 goalie tandem is a distraction, they need to make a decision and should occur very soon.

[thymebalm]

Hiller was simultaneously great and awful last game. Ramo let in some serious softies last game.

No excuses, time for Ortio to start.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

And
it would be nice to have seen one of those games from a Flames tender this year

Yeah, it would be. That wasn't the point of me saying he even makes the odd good save. It was in response to saying Ramo's play shouldn't be criticized because he's made some good saves. Berra had his good games for the Flames but for the most part he was terrible and trading him was the right decision. The same goes for Ramo.

[Coach]

Im surprised Ortio hasn't been played yet. Both other guys have been pretty underwhelming. It seems to me they're still trying to figure out which one is better, but it's coming at the cost of Ortio and possibly wins. Not saying the goaltending is the reason for the slow start, but it's not doing us any favors. I'm a fan of Ortio, I think he's better than the other two. Put him in please.

[Heavy Jack]

I think just out of respect alone Ortio deserves the next start. I mean here's a guy who has done the full journey from draft to 1-way contract and has put up some pretty great stats and moments along the way, give him the net Bob, let him have a shot to run with it.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think just out of respect alone Ortio deserves the next start. I mean here's a guy who has done the full journey from draft to 1-way contract and has put up some pretty great stats and moments along the way, give him the net Bob, let him have a shot to run with it.

Ortio can't possibly do worse than a loss, which is what the other two are pitching

[hariton]

Ramo had a very good game, but let one soft in. Problems go deeper than goalies.

[blender]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Ortio can't possibly do worse than a loss, which is what the other two are pitching

Quoted for truth.

[Stay Golden]

Both Ramo and Hiller have had moments of brilliance and shades of brown in the same game.
Ortio should get the next start it is not good he is just sitting. Not a good approach keeping their young goalie prospect in game shape by not playing. Bite the bullit and trade/waive Hiller or Ramo soon.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

When 80% of your team are first or second year pros, it's amazing he didn't get lit up. Adirondack would of had a terrible record without Ortio. Ask anyone who follows the AHL. The other 2 career AHL goalies looked atrocious in comparison. And they've been in the league for years.

You posters that reference a save percentage out of context are no better then all the HF posters who say the Flames will regress because of advanced stats. They sit in their chair spewing unsustainable talk without watching a single game. That's what you are doing with Ortio.

I follow the AHL quite closely, have since the lockout thank you very much. Ortio played very well, but lots of goaltenders in the AHL play extremely well on teams that are just as inexperienced. You still cannot eliminate 8 games just to make his overall numbers better and like it or not his numbers were below average in the AHL.

[SofaProfessor]

I don't care who they play but going back and forth between guys game to game isn't allowing anyone to build any sort of consistency. I'd love to see Ortio, personally. I'm not sure if he'd do much better, though. However, if he is the future and you think he gives the same shot at winning as Hiller or Ramo then you might as well plug him in because it can't get much worse at this point.

[dammage79]

At this point, Either give Ortio a chance of spend some assets and go get a legit #1 goalie. This kind of instability is not helping. Even at 5 games into a season.

[442scotty]

The poor quality of goaltending has got to be a distraction... Get rid of both asap and it doesn't matter if you get a good return or not... give Ortio a chance to prove himself and bring Gillies up a few times for experience... they cant do any worse...

[AcGold]

The problem with Hiller and Ramo is they let goals in when we are just about to gain momentum. Right when we are about to start pushing they let in soft goals nearly every game and it kills the momentum.

It's not about save % so much as it is saves at key moments of the game. When we've been on our heels and we are even strength and the forwards have one good shift the goalies let one in nearly every time and it's killing us. Yeah they are playing bad but Ramo and Hiller are just as bad, you can't let a soft goal in every game and win.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

The poor quality of goaltending has got to be a distraction... Get rid of both asap and it doesn't matter if you get a good return or not... give Ortio a chance to prove himself and bring Gillies up a few times for experience... they cant do any worse...

Yes they can, they can do much worse.

Get rid of one ASAP. Preferably with a return. But either as part of a tandem with Ortio is fine and it likely doesn't make a difference. Just move one.

Hiller at 1/2 salary should be able to return something half decent.