09-19-2015, 09:17 PM
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#121
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Medicine Hat, Alberta
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Originally Posted by VERVE
Perhaps Klefbom has a higher upside in terms of better skills and hockey IQ than Brodie...
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09-19-2015, 09:41 PM
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#122
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Scoring Winger
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I actually don't mind the signing as the cap hit isn't an overpayment with the contract covering Klefbom's prime years.
However, I'm not sure if he will continue to progress and reach that potential, as money is no longer an incentive for him. He may become lazy and stagnant.
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09-19-2015, 09:57 PM
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#123
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by KipperFaNaTic
I actually don't mind the signing as the cap hit isn't an overpayment with the contract covering Klefbom's prime years.
However, I'm not sure if he will continue to progress and reach that potential, as money is no longer an incentive for him. He may become lazy and stagnant.
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Oh yeah.... like the 6x6's!!!!
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09-19-2015, 10:09 PM
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#124
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Yokohama
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What I really don't understand is the urgency for this to happen. To me if I'm Chia I at least give the guy half a season before committing to this. Not sure why this had to happen during training camp before he's played a full season with brand new coaches and management.
That's the part that I wonder about more than anything else. Could have done this in December and then perhaps if he looks like he's on track to improve it looks good. Right now it's just a box with a bunch of question marks on it. Good? Bad?
That's a chunk of change to commit to a question where the best answer is "maybe".
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09-19-2015, 10:16 PM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro
What I really don't understand is the urgency for this to happen. To me if I'm Chia I at least give the guy half a season before committing to this. Not sure why this had to happen during training camp before he's played a full season with brand new coaches and management.
That's the part that I wonder about more than anything else. Could have done this in December and then perhaps if he looks like he's on track to improve it looks good. Right now it's just a box with a bunch of question marks on it. Good? Bad?
That's a chunk of change to commit to a question where the best answer is "maybe".
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Yup. Like Mony said, Chiarelli has been GM for zero games and one practice. Boom! Seven year deal for a kid with 77 games played.
Sure, Chiarelli would have had some knowledge of him, obviously. But you don't really get to know players until they're on your team.
Waiting a couple of months would have cost them what? (answer: nothing)
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09-19-2015, 10:22 PM
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#126
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Lifetime Suspension
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Interesting his cap hit of $4.167m is exactly the same as his former teammate with Farjestads Jonas Brodin, same age, same draft and probably the same agent. coincidence?
Of course the similarities end there..Brodin is twice as good.
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09-19-2015, 10:32 PM
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#127
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Franchise Player
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I guess when you win the lottery so often you are bound to become a gambling addict. This contract is a huge gamble, no matter which way you spin it. Until a prospect shows consistency from season to season he doesn't deserve such a contract.
I wonder what would've happened if the Oilers drafted Sven Baertschi instead of us. 6x6 deal after the first season?
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09-19-2015, 10:36 PM
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#128
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#1 Goaltender
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I'd say its crazy that he got the term and the money, but really it's crazy that he got either. This should have been around 2Y x $2M.
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09-19-2015, 10:41 PM
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#129
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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...and on that day a new Oiler trademark was born. The Perhaps Contract.
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09-19-2015, 10:44 PM
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#130
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: On the Bandwagon
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$4millx7 years ?
I'll just leave this here
Last edited by FlatLandFlamesFan; 09-19-2015 at 10:51 PM.
Reason: wth fail first time
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09-19-2015, 10:51 PM
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#131
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VERVE
Perhaps Klefbom has a higher upside in terms of better skills and hockey IQ than Brodie...
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The Oilers won't finish 14th in the West forever.
Eventually a couple of expansion teams will be added which will nestle the Oilers into 16th.
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09-19-2015, 11:10 PM
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#132
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: PL2 Row 3
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VERVE
Perhaps Klefbom has a higher upside in terms of better skills and hockey IQ than Brodie...
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09-19-2015, 11:27 PM
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#133
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VERVE
Perhaps Klefbom has a higher upside in terms of better skills and hockey IQ than Brodie...
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09-19-2015, 11:45 PM
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#134
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First Line Centre
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This deal looks premature, so it remains to be seen if it will end up good, average or poor for the Oilers. One thing they did need to do is commit to building a defence. Obviously this in their minds is around Nurse, Sekera, Klefbom and Reinhart. I don't care how good their forwards are - that is not a defence that will win playoff series, if it evens makes it any time soon.
The Oilers need Klefbom to be a big piece of their D really bad, so they have to pony up money and hope - especially since they have set the precedent of paying for potential with the rest of their youngsters.
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09-20-2015, 12:18 AM
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#135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro
What I really don't understand is the urgency for this to happen. To me if I'm Chia I at least give the guy half a season before committing to this. Not sure why this had to happen during training camp before he's played a full season with brand new coaches and management.
That's the part that I wonder about more than anything else. Could have done this in December and then perhaps if he looks like he's on track to improve it looks good. Right now it's just a box with a bunch of question marks on it. Good? Bad?
That's a chunk of change to commit to a question where the best answer is "maybe".
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Exactly. This is a bad contract based on your point right there. Chiapet had no reason to offer this contract right now. If he had done it in December, or even at the end of the season, I'm pretty sure he could have signed him for the same amount and term. At least by then, you have more games to gauge his potential. Its a needless gamble, and just makes Chia look terrible.
But hey, as a Flames fan, I'm loving the start of his tenure. I hope he offers Reinhart 7 years x 4 million after 20 games into the season.
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09-20-2015, 01:17 AM
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#136
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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So funny, even with a new GM the Oil still haven't figured out what a bridge deal is.
The comparable to Brodie is also hilarious. I can see why Oiler fans think Klefbom is better though. First round pick good, fourth round pick bad derpa derp derp.
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09-20-2015, 03:31 AM
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#137
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Antigonish, NS
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oil gonna oil!
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09-20-2015, 05:36 AM
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#138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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So listen, not that I'm really into defending the Oilers, but I kind of feel everyone is being a little unfair...but then again it's the Oilers and nobody deserves to be fair to them. 
However, here is the Hero Chart for Klefbom last year.
Enoch Root is correct in saying he still makes major mistakes, but that's what you would EXPECT for a rookie defenseman. Brodie was not much better in his first full season. What you want to see is growth and learning from your mistakes. In that sense, everyone is correct in saying that Chiarelli could have easily waited to see how he performed this year (especially under McLellan's tutelage) before doing this deal.
The other thing is that by all accounts Justin Schultz played much better when paired with Klefbom. He'll never be confused for a defensive stalwart, but if they can get Schultz playing passable defense at the NHL level that's a win, especially when you consider his offensive upside (think Mike Green).
Also, one last thought: While the cap has stagnated this year, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities for it to still go up over time. Consider that many regular 3rd pairing d-men are now regularly being offered salaries in the $3 million range, it's not ridiculous to think that they could make somewhere around $4 million in the future as a standard. In that line of thinking, EVEN IF Klefbom were no more than a 3rd pairing guy, it still wouldn't be a terrible contract down the road. I think he'll likely be a top 4 guy, especially if he's coached well.
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09-20-2015, 07:24 AM
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#139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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I expect this deal will look better than signing of Sekera to 6 yrs @ 5.5
Klefboom's deal could go either way
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09-20-2015, 08:41 AM
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#140
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Norm!
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Lets see Chia drove the Bruins into the ground and cap hell.
He's just following his instincts in Edmonton.
For a little over 10.5 million he signed long term deals with a questionable top pairing and more like a solid middle pairing guy in Sekeras, He signed a bottom pairing young defenseman who might be ok down the road but is also a bungle machine to a long term more then he's worth contract.
The Flames bought in and signed Dougie Hamilton a top pairing capable young defenseman, and resigned a young top pairing capable defenseman for a combined million dollars less.
We're just spoiled by competency.
Its lucky that Chia stumbled into the savior in McCorkscrew, because without that draft pick, he didn't have the summer that the Oilers needed.
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