View Poll Results: Assuming the NHL is out of the question where would you rather see Kylington play?
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Brandon - WHL
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Stockton - AHL
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07-30-2015, 07:08 PM
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#121
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vancouver
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I think the AHL makes more sense. It's a more complete development system. The new pacific division is really going to benefit the teams that are moving there.
Way less travel, way more practice, less games in general, less 3 in 3s. More access to trainers, doctors, and way easier to transfer between leagues.
Also, he's likely to be 5th or 6th on the depth chart after Wotherspoon, Culkin, Kulak, Nakladal and Morrison. Which is a good thing. He's 18 years old, and according to what everyone is saying, he needs to learn the defensive side of the game. Low on the depth chart in a structured pro league is a good place for that.
He'll get the most ice time in juniors. There's no doubt about that. I'm just wondering if maybe quality should trump quantity in this case.
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07-30-2015, 10:04 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by thymebalm
I think the AHL makes more sense. It's a more complete development system. The new pacific division is really going to benefit the teams that are moving there.
Way less travel, way more practice, less games in general, less 3 in 3s. More access to trainers, doctors, and way easier to transfer between leagues.
Also, he's likely to be 5th or 6th on the depth chart after Wotherspoon, Culkin, Kulak, Nakladal and Morrison. Which is a good thing. He's 18 years old, and according to what everyone is saying, he needs to learn the defensive side of the game. Low on the depth chart in a structured pro league is a good place for that.
He'll get the most ice time in juniors. There's no doubt about that. I'm just wondering if maybe quality should trump quantity in this case.
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Beating the tar out of the Western league for a year might be the best thing for him. We don't need to rush him.
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07-30-2015, 10:34 PM
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#123
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I think he should go to the WHL because he should have a chance to play against people his own age whilst developing the defensive side of his game and learning to make smart decisions get his own zone in a low pressure environment in Brandon where they are expected to be one of the best teams in the CHL next season I think I would prefer him getting top pairing minutes in a league that is less physical and on a winning team.
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07-31-2015, 01:13 AM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FBI
We get the point man, you like HF..
> At first I was leaning towards AHL too. Then I read the whole Kylington prospect thread at HF. A single post stood out to me.
> I read on the HF prospect thread that as a child he once played C but ended up moving to D. A few posters (grain of salt needed) said that his tools are pretty set as D. Moving back not suggested.
> From 2013 to 2015 went from top 5 discussion to top 10/15/24/first rounder to disbelief he was in the second round. All HF posters... but... still.
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Err... that wasn't the point I was trying to make, but if you prefer I call that forum by name, I can do that. I mentioned the name because it's all armchair GMs and casual video watcher information and not a legit source like a scout or player or GM or whoever.
The other forum had views of varying fan bases from up to 2 years ago about Kylington. I don't know anything about him except for when we drafted him and what our opinion is of him which is why I looked elsewhere for information about this intriguing prospect.
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07-31-2015, 08:19 AM
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#125
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I think the longer you play above your peer group, the worse it is for your development. Probably why this guy was playing against men in the first place.
Playing easier competition will increase bad habits.
Sven put up 94 points in 47 games after being drafted. He got the opportunity to 'dominate' Junior, and in the end has struggled to translate his game outside of Junior.
Bad habits, easy ice and lacking accountability are contributing factors.
If Kyllington is going to learn to play D it should be against this generation of Toffolis and Nyquists instead of the majority of his icetime against guys who aren't good enough to go Pro.
It wouldn't surprise me if they sent him back to Junior, but if they do, I think it's definitely a sign that they don't view him as being as developed as he has been billed.
I'm really interested to see how he performs in camp.
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07-31-2015, 09:15 AM
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#126
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Originally Posted by DoubleF
Err... that wasn't the point I was trying to make, but if you prefer I call that forum by name, I can do that. I mentioned the name because it's all armchair GMs and casual video watcher information and not a legit source like a scout or player or GM or whoever.
The other forum had views of varying fan bases from up to 2 years ago about Kylington. I don't know anything about him except for when we drafted him and what our opinion is of him which is why I looked elsewhere for information about this intriguing prospect.
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Sorry I was a bit pissy yesterday. Just seemed like a bunch of promotional posts for HF.
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07-31-2015, 10:05 AM
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#127
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Originally Posted by FBI
Sorry I was a bit pissy yesterday. Just seemed like a bunch of promotional posts for HF.
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No probs, bud. I'm sure we can agree Kylington is a very interesting prospect.
I just went to find some back story on him and share it is all. Wasn't promoting anything.
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07-31-2015, 06:39 PM
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#128
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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The thing with Brandon is that Kylington needs to be willing to go there. He can probably make more money in Sweden and be close to home as well so I can see him preferring Sweden.
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07-31-2015, 07:13 PM
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#129
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The thing with Brandon is that Kylington needs to be willing to go there. He can probably make more money in Sweden and be close to home as well so I can see him preferring Sweden.
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AIK total player salaries 2.8 M Euros.... Färjestad The club that he got demoted from last season. 4.3 M euros.
So the Average AIK salary works out to be around 100,000 euros.
Kylington already cashed in his $92,500 USD signing bonus. Which is more than he would likely make playing for AIK.
After AIK has basically said go play in North America it would be a shocker if Kylington doesn't show up exactly where the Flames send him.
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07-31-2015, 08:28 PM
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#130
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
AIK total player salaries 2.8 M Euros.... Färjestad The club that he got demoted from last season. 4.3 M euros.
So the Average AIK salary works out to be around 100,000 euros.
Kylington already cashed in his $92,500 USD signing bonus. Which is more than he would likely make playing for AIK.
After AIK has basically said go play in North America it would be a shocker if Kylington doesn't show up exactly where the Flames send him.
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I don't know, picking up an extra 100,000 euros and avoiding 12 hour bus rides sounds good to me.
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07-31-2015, 08:30 PM
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#131
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I don't know, picking up an extra 100,000 euros and avoiding 12 hour bus rides sounds good to me.
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Really have my doubts the short term $ signs will impact Kylingtons career path. He said on draft day he'll go where the Flames want him to go and everything the Flames have done so far and what AIK has said points to Kylington staying in NA.
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07-31-2015, 08:34 PM
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#132
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Really have my doubts the short term $ signs will impact Kylingtons career path. He said on draft day he'll go where the Flames want him to go and everything the Flames have done so far and what AIK has said points to Kylington staying in NA.
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I guess I just have bad memories of Tom where we even offered him the choice of returning to Sweden if he didn't make the Flames.
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07-31-2015, 08:49 PM
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#133
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I guess I just have bad memories of Tom where we even offered him the choice of returning to Sweden if he didn't make the Flames.
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If any Flames prospect should scare you like Tom, it should be Rasmus Andersson as his dad is an Ex-Ranger. But that'd be paranoia as well.
Both Rasmus and Kylington are far different beasts than Erixon.
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07-31-2015, 09:40 PM
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#134
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I guess I just have bad memories of Tom where we even offered him the choice of returning to Sweden if he didn't make the Flames.
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Back then we were kind of known as a team that didn't give young guys much of a chance though. We're now the complete opposite. Would Erixon ask for a trade from today's Flames? I kind of think not.
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07-31-2015, 10:17 PM
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#135
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Back then we were kind of known as a team that didn't give young guys much of a chance though. We're now the complete opposite. Would Erixon ask for a trade from today's Flames? I kind of think not.
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Yeah we've had a lot of movement and been able to give young players a chance giving us a good reputation but I don't see the available spots opening up near as much in the future. Erixon missed his chance, boy did he screw up and it should be a lesson for other draftees. If I was Erixon, I'd give our team a wide berth as the opportunity doors are closing.
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07-31-2015, 10:23 PM
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#136
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Originally Posted by dammage79
If any Flames prospect should scare you like Tom, it should be Rasmus Andersson as his dad is an Ex-Ranger. But that'd be paranoia as well.
Both Rasmus and Kylington are far different beasts than Erixon.
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Rasmus has already taken a step in his commitment to the NHL by coming over to the CHL for his draft year.
Look I'm not saying it would be a bad thing for Kylington to go back to Sweden, I'm just saying it could be still an option. Not quite ready for the AHL but too good for the CHL.
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08-01-2015, 11:51 AM
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#137
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Could Care Less
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If he wants to make the NHL someday he needs to adjust to the North American game ASAP. Since he's been given permission by AIK he will be doing so next season.
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08-01-2015, 12:30 PM
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#138
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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I'd throw him in Brandon, giving him the ability to get used to the North American ice, light up some WHL clubs, play in the World Juniors, and generally play a TON. He needs that right now.
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08-01-2015, 03:19 PM
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#139
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He wasn't invited to world junior camp was he? Hopefully that will change with a strong showing in either hmthe WHL or AHL.
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08-01-2015, 05:08 PM
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#140
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
I think the longer you play above your peer group, the worse it is for your development. Probably why this guy was playing against men in the first place.
Sven put up 94 points in 47 games after being drafted. He got the opportunity to 'dominate' Junior, and in the end has struggled to translate his game outside of Junior.
Bad habits, easy ice and lacking accountability are contributing factors.
If Kyllington is going to learn to play D it should be against this generation of Toffolis and Nyquists instead of the majority of his icetime against guys who aren't good enough to go Pro.
It wouldn't surprise me if they sent him back to Junior, but if they do, I think it's definitely a sign that they don't view him as being as developed as he has been billed.
I'm really interested to see how he performs in camp.
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They don't have a competitive Junior league in Sweden... Every Men's team has a bunch of u20 players on its.... AIK had 13 players for some games that were 20 and under Farjestads (the higher league team has 11) including 4 17 and under 2 that played the whole season 34/35 games rather than the 18 Kylington got in. Even the good teams Skelleftea, who dominated the league had 12 players that could have been playing in the CHL.....if they were good enough.
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