If you ask, and the person agrees then thats great.
Its great that you can make it on 7 hour or longer flights without reclining. But a traveler has paid for a reclining seat. If they have a petite woman sitting behind them then they can recline with no issue. If they get you behind them, they now can't have the full use or enjoyment of the seat that they have paid for.
I get it that you didn't chose to be tall but you did chose to not pay extra for an upgraded seat assignment and are now affecting someone else's flight if you jam your knees into their seat to prevent them from reclining. Those couple of degrees can make a big difference in letting someone sleep or not.
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I'm 6'8" and don't recline as I will ask the person ahead of me not to recline. I've made it on many 7hr+ flights without reclining. You can too.
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I'll have my seat in the upright position during landing/takeoff, and during the meal service. I'll try to be mindful if a tall person is sitting beside me, and not recline all the way, but you better believe that if the person in front of me is reclining, then so am I. I don't care what anyone says, but a reclined seat is more comfortable. I bet all you tall guys have reclined seats while you drive your car. I won't recline if it's just a couple hours on the plane, but if I'm flying overseas, I'm definitely reclining.
I'm 6'8" and don't recline as I will ask the person ahead of me not to recline. I've made it on many 7hr+ flights without reclining. You can too.
You have a high sense of entitlement. If it's a problem for you that people use the reclining seat they paid for then buy a better seat. That small space that someone in front of you reclines into is theirs. Not yours.
If someone who is tall kindly asked me not to recline I wouldn't. If someone thought it was their right to tell me not to recline I will.
Anti recliners all have the same problem. They feel entitled to things they don't nessesirly deserve. That space behind a chair is for the person in front who may or may not decide to recline. If you want guaranteed office time like the guy on the prior page then buy a business class ticket. If not, then don't fly.
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I'd be a lot more sympathetic to pro-recliners on long flights for sure. Typically these planes offer more personal space anyway do they not? I haven't flown overseas in years so I'm not certain. I also get a kick out of the pro-recliners using the argument of "it's their right" to do it. This is the typical logic of someone that I'd bet is in general not a very courteous person as a whole. When it comes to people that aren't the courteous type I always wonder if they are genuine A-holes or just oblivious to their surroundings.
Anyone who believes that reclining your seat into the person behind you doesn't alter their comfort is completely out to lunch. Exponentially more so with laptops, meals, and viewing angles. I have never had the need to recline and I likely never will.
However, I will admit that this thread has opened my eyes to people with joint pain, back pain etc. I can see myself being more understanding in the future to you folks and ultimately all recliners in general.
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If reclining isn't a right why is it part of every non emergency seat? Just curious.
The reality is, that is a right of the ticket holder. If you don't like it, lobby the airlines, buy a better ticket or don't fly.
You and others not liking the fact people have the right to push their chair back doesn't make it false, or selfish or uncourtious. It just means you feel entitled to a space that isn't yours.
Typically these planes offer more personal space anyway do they not? I haven't flown overseas in years so I'm not certain.
Nope. One of the most cramped flights I ever took was the 15 hour flight from San Francisco to Sydney on United. If the person in front of you reclined, you had no choice but to recline as well because they were so close to you.
The most comfortable Economy class seats I've sat in are in the small E-190s that Air Canada flies on its shorter routes.
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If reclining isn't a right why is it part of every non emergency seat? Just curious.
The reality is, that is a right of the ticket holder. If you don't like it, lobby the airlines, buy a better ticket or don't fly.
You and others not liking the fact people have the right to push their chair back doesn't make it false, or selfish or uncourtious. It just means you feel entitled to a space that isn't yours.
From my experience there are very few people on a flight that actually use the recline option. They are completely aware that it is their right to do so if they choose, but they elect not to. Id bet the reason they choose not to do this is simply because they are being respectful and understanding of the discomfort it causes the person behind them. Others really only are concerned for their own comfort and well being and are either oblivious or simply don't care.
I will never reach a point In which I wouldn't fly over it or lobby the airlines. I'll just simply continue shaking my head to myself and complain on message boards! I'll just never understand people that experience no guilt in altering someone else's comfort.
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How hard is it to turn around and ask the person behind you if it's okay to recline, or the person in front of you if they could move their seat forward since you have long legs?
How hard is it to tell the person in the chair in front of you that you have long legs and would prefer they not recline their chair? Why is the onus on the person reclining?
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I'll just never understand people that experience no guilt in altering someone else's comfort.
Should I ask permission before I turn on the nozzle fan as well? Presumably that might alter someone else's comfort. Because, it seems, just because airlines have included a feature in every seat on every plane doesn't mean we should assume we can use it without asking our neighbours.
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I also get a kick out of the pro-recliners using the argument of "it's their right" to do it. This is the typical logic of someone that I'd bet is in general not a very courteous person as a whole. When it comes to people that aren't the courteous type I always wonder if they are genuine A-holes or just oblivious to their surroundings.
Anyone who believes that reclining your seat into the person behind you doesn't alter their comfort is completely out to lunch. Exponentially more so with laptops, meals, and viewing angles. I have never had the need to recline and I likely never will.
I doubt many, if any, people in here are saying they recline just because it's their right like some a-hole. Hope I don't come across like that at least. This isn't the gun control debate in the states.
I recline when I'm trying to sleep because it's a heck of a lot more comfortable, being slightly more prone helps a lot with easing back pain from being jammed into a plane, and it's the only way I'm actually able to fall asleep. That it is my right is what makes me ok with choosing to do so for the above reasons.
Of course I think it alters the comfort of the person behind me. To say otherwise is naïve. However I think that decreased comfort is overstated and vastly less than the additional comfort I gain.
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If reclining isn't a right why is it part of every non emergency seat? Just curious.
Likely for the same reason some planes still have ashtrays in the armrest, they were designed for a different time.
Airplane seats were designed at a time when the space between rows was much more than is typical today. A seat pitch (the distance between two identical points on seats in adjacent rows) of 33-34 inches used to be the industry standard in Economy. Now, it can be as low as 28 inches on some airlines. Air Canada's Rouge planes have a pitch as low as 29 inches. Most standard Air Canada and WestJet planes are 31 inches.
The pitch for the AC and WestJet "Plus" seats is in the old standard 34 inch range. With those seats, you don't really notice if the person in front of you reclines their seats. Those missing couple of inches in regular Economy make a big difference.
I'm 6'1". When I'm seated as far back as possible with my legs in front of me, from the back of my seat to my kneecap is about 26 inches. If the seat is 3 inches thick, there is literally no extra room available at a 29 inch seat pitch.
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If you ask, and the person agrees then thats great.
The beauty of it, is I ask politely because I'm a polite guy, but even if I was a dink about it, they can't physically recline their seat.
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they now can't have the full use or enjoyment of the seat that they have paid for.
There are seats that don't recline. In front of the exit rows. Those people pay just as much as everyone else. Why can't they have full use or enjoyment of the seat they paid for?
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I get it that you didn't chose to be tall but you did chose to not pay extra for an upgraded seat assignment and are now affecting someone else's flight if you jam your knees into their seat to prevent them from reclining. Those couple of degrees can make a big difference in letting someone sleep or not.
Handicap people should also have to pay for the person that wheels them to the gate, and also for use of the borrowed wheelchair.
Seniors should have to pay for the electric cart that takes them around the terminal.
Obese people should have to pay for the second seat they get for free, and all the extra fuel they use.
Tall guys should be forced into mandatory upgrade seats.
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You have a high sense of entitlement. If it's a problem for you that people use the reclining seat they paid for then buy a better seat. That small space that someone in front of you reclines into is theirs. Not yours.
So because business class across the Atlantic costs ~$10,000 I should never get to travel to Europe because I'm tall?
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If someone who is tall kindly asked me not to recline I wouldn't. If someone thought it was their right to tell me not to recline I will.
No you wouldn't. My knees would be in the way. If you kept forcing the issue I'd call over the flight attendant to warn you before making the rest of the flight hell for you via my knees not angled out into the metal meal tray brackets like I normally do to spare the person in front of me from feeling my knees in their back all flight.
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Anti recliners all have the same problem. They feel entitled to things they don't nessesirly deserve. That space behind a chair is for the person in front who may or may not decide to recline. If you want guaranteed office time like the guy on the prior page then buy a business class ticket. If not, then don't fly.
I bet you probably wouldn't hold the door for someone in a wheel chair, because if you're in a wheel chair, don't go places with automatic doors and feel entitled that people will help you out.
People help out strangers all the time. It's what makes people not dinks.
I've had every single person except for one in my extensive flight history very graciously apologize for ramming my knees and put their seat up. I often will switch seats with the person I'm travelling with to allow the people in front of me to have some time with their seat back on long flights where they want to sleep.
Just like because I'm stupid tall, I end up helping pretty much everyone who needs help with something up high. It happens with strangers all the time, I've never said no. Life is give and take, and this is one area where I'm forced to take. Yet I'm the "entitled" one.
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If reclining isn't a right why is it part of every non emergency seat? Just curious.
The reality is, that is a right of the ticket holder. If you don't like it, lobby the airlines, buy a better ticket or don't fly.
You and others not liking the fact people have the right to push their chair back doesn't make it false, or selfish or uncourtious. It just means you feel entitled to a space that isn't yours.
It's true, it is your right to recline your seat; but the topic is etiquette - being nice to people.
In any event, your right may very well be going the way of the dodo soon. There have been 3 flights delayed or diverted because of reclining issues. That is a big cost to airlines.
Not to mention about half (or more) people would be ok with banning reclining seats.
Courtesy will most likely keep the ban away, but acting entitled to the reclining option just accelerates the uproar.
If I'm flying with someone I know, I audibly will proclaim my disgust too.
