09-20-2014, 01:21 AM
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#121
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
He's a superstar. Who cares how many times he skated in the offseason? He's putting up PPG stats with Bozak and people act like his comments mean more.
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He puts up PPG stats but isn't helping his team win. What does that tell you? He comes into camp out of shape. As one of the best players on the team, what example does that set for the rest of the team???
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09-20-2014, 04:29 AM
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#122
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
He's a superstar.
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No, he's not. Well, maybe to Leafs fans, but that's about it.
Superstars are the elite of the elite, not good players on bad teams.
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09-20-2014, 05:11 AM
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#123
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Help, save, whatever.
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
No, he's not. Well, maybe to Leafs fans, but that's about it.
Superstars are the elite of the elite, not good players on bad teams.
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I'd say the last three years he's been pretty good.
2013-2014 5th in goals 6th in points
2012-2013 13th in goals 7th in points
2011-2012 6th in goals 6th in points
So Tavares, Karlsson aren't elite players because their teams are bad?
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09-20-2014, 05:13 AM
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#124
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Help, save, whatever.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
He puts up PPG stats but isn't helping his team win. What does that tell you? He comes into camp out of shape. As one of the best players on the team, what example does that set for the rest of the team???
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Hockey is a team sport. Not many players can win a game for their team consistently unless they are the goalie. Without Kessel Leafs are way worse. According to reports from the first day of camp, Kessel was fine. He said he has been working out, just not skating.
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09-20-2014, 05:54 AM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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Kessel is a superstar on a bad team. Like I said before, he's like Kane (high talent level) but not having the all round elite players ahead of him fronting the leadership, two way game, etc.
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09-20-2014, 07:26 AM
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#126
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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So what if the guy is a little chunky in the face. I highly, highly doubt he is out of shape. There are a small handful of players in the league that play the game at the pace he does with the amount of ice time he gets.
The only thing about this forum that gets annoying is that every player sucks unless they are a two way God. I've seen people say Kovalchuk sucks. Idiots. If Kessel isn't a superstar than who is? Sheesh
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09-20-2014, 08:33 AM
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#127
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In the Sin Bin
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If Kessel is a superstar, Taylor Hall is a superstar. I don't think either crosses the border from "star player" to "superstar" myself.
Also,
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09-20-2014, 09:09 AM
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#128
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Netherlands
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How come no one is a star anymore?
Why do we immediately jump to superstar?
Shouldn't there be a whole boatload of stars and then a few superstars?
The fact that we have no stars makes the term super in superstars redundant if you ask me. A superstar has to be superior to a star, but if there's no stars to be superior to, then what's the point?
Department of redundancy department.
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09-20-2014, 09:38 AM
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#129
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
He's a superstar. Who cares how many times he skated in the offseason? He's putting up PPG stats with Bozak and people act like his comments mean more.
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Because with commitment and harder work he could be even better. This is a guy that at one point some thought would compete with Crosby for first overall
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09-20-2014, 10:47 AM
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#130
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Franchise Player
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Kessel is a very talented player and an elite goal scorer. Full stop. He is no superstar - that is a ridiculous notion IMO.
Being in a cap world now, there is only so many big-name, big-dollar players you can have on your team. Kessel is not a leader. He is not a guy you can build your (good) team around. But he comes at the price of one.
I would not want Kessel on my team eating up that kind of cap hit and creating problems in the room (my opinion). And for that reason, there is no way I would consider him in the conversation for superstar. He's a me-first, offensive talent. The great teams always seem to have one thing in common: their best players are also their hardest working players.
Good luck winning anything, Toronto.
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09-20-2014, 11:01 AM
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#131
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Powerplay Quarterback
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A superstar might be someone that is in the discussion of best player in the world, and the player that is the emblem of his team. Crosby and Ovechkin for me at this time. Maybe Stamkos is getting there. Iginla did for a couple of years.
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09-20-2014, 11:30 AM
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#132
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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If Kessel is a superstar then there are 30-40 superstars in the league.
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09-20-2014, 12:05 PM
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#133
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupid
How come no one is a star anymore?
Why do we immediately jump to superstar?
Shouldn't there be a whole boatload of stars and then a few superstars?
The fact that we have no stars makes the term super in superstars redundant if you ask me. A superstar has to be superior to a star, but if there's no stars to be superior to, then what's the point?
Department of redundancy department.
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It's hockey inflation. When I was a kid there were good players and very few stars. Then stars were everywhere and superstars came into use as a term designating what used to be stars. Now we have a slug of superstars with generational players on top. Gordie Howe was a good player, then a star, then a superstar, and if he played today, a generational player. What happens when we have too many generational players? A galactic generational superstar? Sigh....
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09-20-2014, 12:25 PM
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#134
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Franchise Player
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Sadly, the thing that stands out about Kessel's comments are his candour. A lot of star players in the NHL are treated differently from the rank and file. Elite athletes are a spoiled bunch, and they're often treated with kid gloves by management.
I agree that you need your star players to buy in, ultimately, to have sustained team success. But there are a lot more teams in the NHL than just the Leafs who don't have that top-to-bottom buy-in. And as Flames fans we should recognize that up until last season we were one of those teams.
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09-20-2014, 10:39 PM
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#136
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
He puts up PPG stats but isn't helping his team win. What does that tell you? He comes into camp out of shape. As one of the best players on the team, what example does that set for the rest of the team???
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It tells me nothing. Hockey is a team game.
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09-20-2014, 10:43 PM
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#137
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Caged Great
- leafs fans for the past 47 years
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OI find it funny how Calgary has a terrific future but Toronto doesn't. Did I miss the fact the Leafs are old with no young talent?
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09-20-2014, 10:44 PM
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#138
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
No, he's not. Well, maybe to Leafs fans, but that's about it.
Superstars are the elite of the elite, not good players on bad teams.
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So Kessel is simply a "Good" player on a bad team to you?
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09-20-2014, 10:46 PM
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#139
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
Kessel is a superstar on a bad team. Like I said before, he's like Kane (high talent level) but not having the all round elite players ahead of him fronting the leadership, two way game, etc.
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LOL. Patrick Kane is easily one of the best hockey players in the world.
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09-20-2014, 10:50 PM
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#140
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rick M.
Gordie Howe was a good player, then a star, then a superstar, and if he played today, a generational player.
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I'm not sure about that one. Might be a bit hard for him to keep up with today's top players as an 86 year old, fortunately his health has improved.
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