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Old 02-27-2014, 05:20 PM   #121
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Corruption parts of the protests were completely justified it seems. In recovered documents, Yanukovych is shown to have spent upwards of
$42million on the light fixtures in his luxury house
$2.36million on fencing for his property
$15k in medical costs for his pet fish
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Ukraine is nearly bankrupt now after having over $70billion moved into offshore accounts from their national treasury over the last 3 years. Oi.
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Speaking in parliament, Yatsenyuk said that the former government had left the country with $75bn of debts. "Over $20bn of gold reserve were embezzled. They took $37bn of loans that disappeared," Yatsenyuk said. "Around $70bn was moved to offshore accounts from Ukraine's financial system in the last three years," he claimed.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:21 PM   #122
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That must be one hell of a fish.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:29 PM   #123
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Meanwhile in Russia, Putin has given a Mercedes-Benz to every Russian Olympic Medallist.

No known pet fish expenditures though!
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:35 PM   #124
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Meanwhile in Russia, Putin has given a Mercedes-Benz to every Russian Olympic Medallist.

No known pet fish expenditures though!
They're probably Ladas with recycled 'peace-sign' medallions crudely affixed to them.

Real dictators spend their money on fish. Everyone knows this.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:19 AM   #125
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So what is the likely outcome here with Crimea?

If their local government will not recognize any newly formed pro west/EU Ukrainian government and decide Russia is their overlord, ow does that change anything? I don't think we'll see active Russian troops enter Crimea, as mentioned, it is not required in this situation.

Does anyone know the story with regions outside of Kiev and Crimea? Probably in smaller towns there are not real protests going on, but will they fall in like with the new govt if formed?
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:40 AM   #126
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Ukraine pleads for U.S., U.K. help after Russian 'invasion'.

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The new Ukrainian government says it has been invaded by Russia, and has appealed for the United States and United Kingdom to protect it, as they guaranteed under a 1994 agreement.

The move came after pro-Russian gunmen seized both main airports on the Crimean Peninsula early Friday, a day after other militiamen took control of the regional parliament building. With gunmen in the building and the Russian flag flying from the roof, deputies appointed a new government and passed a motion Thursday calling for a referendum on the future as part of Ukraine.
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The parliament also called for guarantees of the memorandum signed by Ukraine, Britain, Russia and the United States in Budapest in 1994. That agreement guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty and current borders in exchange for surrendering the nuclear weapons that were left after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:19 AM   #127
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So what is the likely outcome here with Crimea?
Looks like Russia annexes Crimea or sets up puppet governments. We get a split in the East from the West?
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:20 AM   #128
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Yanukovych has made it to Moscow and has issued a statement denouncing the interim government and saying he never issued shoot orders. Moscow apparently is none too happy with him and considers the former president a coward for running away
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BBC/AFP have been able to capture pictures of the soldiers that have seized the airports and are manning the blockades. They really don't look like they are an civilian and aren't wearing any military insignia. Looks awfully well equipped and trained though. Ukraine might have a point of accusing Russia of slipping in naval troops under the guise of Ukrainian Crimean "civilian militias"





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But their equipment, their vehicles and their behaviour all signal that this is a trained military unit, not a rag-tag group of pro-Russian loyalists.

"These men look like a formed and organised body of troops. They appear to be disciplined, confident and uniformly dressed and equipped," says Brigadier Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

"Irregular militia may obtain bits of official kit but they tend to look like a military jumble sale."
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Apparently a squadron of attack helicopters streaming out of Russia flying towards the Crimea.

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Couple of interesting maps I found:







The top map and bottom map seem to contradict themselves.

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Knowing what I know about Eastern European attitudes towards thorough census taking I wouldnt read too much into their graphs.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:27 PM   #131
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Knowing what I know about Eastern European attitudes towards thorough census taking I wouldnt read too much into their graphs.
Well, if anything the big picture is obviously clear. It seems so logical to just split Ukraine down the middle.
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The bottom map is showing one province (oblast) in the northeast and basically shows that the city of Kharkiv is Russian dominated while the surrounding rural areas are Ukrainian. Also note that even in the top map only Crimea and the very far east exceed 50% Russian as the native language. The rest of central and eastern Ukraine remains majority Ukrainian with a significant Russian minority.
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Yanukovych has made it to Moscow and has issued a statement denouncing the interim government and saying he never issued shoot orders. Moscow apparently is none too happy with him and considers the former president a coward for running away
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Pretty clear those boys are regulars.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:24 PM   #134
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Helmet and body armor look like Russian regular infantry, correct me if I'm wrong but the rifle on the top looks like a 74m





But then again they export pretty heavily including to the Ukraine

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/02/ukraine-accuses-russia-invading-crimea-201422820136126248.html

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"Thirteen Russian aircraft landed at the airport of Gvardeyskoye (near Simferopol) with 150 people in each one," Sergiy Kunitsyn, the Ukrainian president's special representative in Crimea, told the local ATR television channel on Friday.
He also said that the airspace had been closed when the deployment happened.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's acting president accused Russia of open aggression and said Moscow was following a similar scenario to the one before it went to war with Georgia in 2008.
Oleksander Turchinov drew a comparison to Russia's intervention in Georgia over the breakaway Akhazia region which has a large ethnic Russian population, urging Russian President Vladimir Putin to stop "provocations" in the region of Crimea.
"Russia has sent forces into Crimea ... they are working on scenarios which are fully analogous with Abkhazia, when having initiated a military conflict, they started to annex the territory," he said in televised comments.
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Helmet and body armor look like Russian regular infantry, correct me if I'm wrong but the rifle on the top looks like a 74m





But then again they export pretty heavily including to the Ukraine
Yup, looks like a 74m from the Izhmash arsenal. They updated the 74m and AK 100 in 2009.


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Is that a Pecheneg LMG? That would be a pretty well equipped "militia". I guess it's more likely an old PK.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:54 PM   #138
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It looks like a PK to me, it lacks the distinctive top handle
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I have a friend in Kiev that I haven't heard from. He always spoke Russian too
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A Russian warship that is reportedly armed with anti-aircraft missiles is docked 200 miles away from Miami: http://cnn.it/1cgu2ZW
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Is this normal or related to what's happening in the Ukraine ? Doesn't sound normal to me.
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