Seriously love these overstatements by armchair GMs. I suspect the consensus around the NHL is that every one of these players would be far better off on a different team right now. If Jordan Eberle is currently available for a low price, I hope the Flames are lining up to obtain him.
Seriously love these overstatements by armchair forum posters on armchair GMs.
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The value Oilers fans give to their young players is astounding. Yakupov for a franchise defenseman + (guys like Weber, E-Larsson, etc are thrown around). The best chance for the Oilers on a return for Eberle, Yakupov, Gagner or Schultz is a young defenseman with upside but has struggled with his current team (Luke Schenn or Runblad), a guy like Merszeros or a package of lesser players to fill multiple holes (like Sutter tried to do with Phaneuf). Regardless, Oilers fans will be unhappy.
Your evaluation of Eberle being worth only a Luke Schenn or Rundblad is equally out of whack.
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^ this is likely true, as he is not dealing from a position of strength right now. One would assume that if they were to make a deal in the short term it would be nail getting moved although It would seem that it would be difficult to get much tangible help for him.....
.good thing the flames did not fail for nail.........
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So you feel they are ready to jettison Eakins already.....that would be an epic admission of failure.......
I doubt they fire Eakins outright, I'm willing to bet that they make him a "co" coach with Mac-T, with the intent of grooming him. Kinda like the Flames with Playfair and Keenan.
In truth Eakins job will be to fetch coffee, erase the white board and change the light bulbs in the dressing room until his contract expires, but he'll be standing there behind the bench straightening his tie and playing pocket billards while Mac-T runs the bench.
I doubt they fire Eakins outright, I'm willing to bet that they make him a "co" coach with Mac-T, with the intent of grooming him. Kinda like the Flames with Playfair and Keenan.
In truth Eakins job will be to fetch coffee, erase the white board and change the light bulbs in the dressing room until his contract expires, but he'll be standing there behind the bench straightening his tie and playing pocket billards while Mac-T runs the bench.
This is what I have been thinking as well.
5th coach in 6 years - pretty tough to can him a month in.
However, they may want MacT to join him in order to strengthen the bench a bit and also give MacT more daily access to the room to see the dynamics in action during games.
I just don't understand how any of this is a suprise. I mean, the type of game and system that eakin is trying to instill just don't fit the make up of the team. I don't believe coaches should cater to the roster but some attention needs to be payed to the strengths of your squad. To that end, it's also not Eakins fault, assuming he laid out his plan in his job interview. Management needs to look at the team and look at the coaches and find the match. Clearly this is a total miss, again.
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I just don't understand how any of this is a suprise. I mean, the type of game and system that eakin is trying to instill just don't fit the make up of the team. I don't believe coaches should cater to the roster but some attention needs to be payed to the strengths of your squad. To that end, it's also not Eakins fault, assuming he laid out his plan in his job interview. Management needs to look at the team and look at the coaches and find the match. Clearly this is a total miss, again.
Fact is that the system that Eakin's is trying to put in place with the whole swarm defense is a system that works in the minors, but in the NHL where the game is faster, the players are smarter and better coached its doomed to be a failure.
Also known as the Zerg rush OMG how did he get so wide open defense.
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how many coaches/gm's do you have to go through before you relise that is not the problem??
It's the players on the ice. No goaltneding , suspect defense and a underacheiving top 6. They should never have drafted Yakupov. They should have drafted either Ryan Murray , Morgan Rielly or Griffin Reinhart. Add you add Darnell Nurse this yrs selection you would a solid top pairing on the blue line next yr.
But at the same time I do enjoy watching the Oilers fall on their face.
Cant want to see Hall , Eberle and RNH become UFAS in 6yrs.
Fact is that the system that Eakin's is trying to put in place with the whole swarm defense is a system that works in the minors, but in the NHL where the game is faster, the players are smarter and better coached its doomed to be a failure.
Also known as the Zerg rush OMG how did he get so wide open defense.
You don't know what you are talking about. Many NHL teams use the swarm defence.
“In the D zone, I’d never heard of ‘the swarm’ before I got here,” said defenseman Kyle Quincey, who spent 2005-08 in the Wings organization, left for almost four seasons, then returned at the trade deadline last year. “He never talked about that eight years ago. But if you look around on video, all the teams do it now. He’s definitely a very good systems coach. He’s definitely challenged me to a better player, for sure. A lot of skating in this system.”
Your evaluation of Eberle being worth only a Luke Schenn or Rundblad is equally out of whack.
Well not straight up. More as the "spine" of the deal. The Oilers are in a weak position and the players they are willing (Hemsky) or reluctant (Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Gagner) to trade aren't going to get them home on a top 2 defenseman or a top end goalie - they'll have to add to get either. Plus, those items alone aren't, IMO, going to save the season or right the ship.
Teams like Phoenix or Winnipeg with several defenseman might be inclined to entertain a deal with the Oilers, but the asking price is going to be high and neither of those teams are in the same situation as the Oilers - management feeling the heat, fan base getting restless, etc.
A team like Philadelphia who has a GM working to save his job might be a good partner, but to get a package that the Oilers would need to make a difference is going to cost them a lot (a guys like Simmonds or Hartnell would do wonders). A team like Toronto might be worth considering with their injuries and management viewing this as a good chance to strike while the iron is hot - but would they part with Gardiner or Reimer? If so, you'd have to think the price would be considerable or the return would include some baggage (JML).
My point, I suppose, is that the Oilers HAVE to do something. Another top 3 pick is not going to turn things around quickly enough for the fans or to save management. There isn't an answer in the UFA pool (unless you think Phaneuf is the answer - IMO he re-signs with TO). Other teams, aside from Philly, don't have to make a move... especially if it isn't lobsided in their favor.
The 'Swarm' only works if you have intelligent, aware players implementing it. The problem for the oilers and their group of me-first players is that they are all puck-focused, which is the opposite inclination you'd want to have in a swarm/zone defense. Obviously you're aware of where the puck is, but the job is to out-man the coverage, if the puck squirts out, who cares, keep your man/zone covered until the play establishes itself in another area of the ice. No one on the oilers seems to want to be the guy in the pile kicking the puck out to his teammates, they'd much rather prefer to be the guy receiving that tough-to-accomplish pass, who takes it up the ice for personal statistics.
Puck focus restricts you from taking a positional approach to the game. Puck focus kills your on-ice awareness and team game. Puck focus is also a motivational problem; do you get up for points or do you get up for wins?
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You don't know what you are talking about. Many NHL teams use the swarm defence.
“In the D zone, I’d never heard of ‘the swarm’ before I got here,” said defenseman Kyle Quincey, who spent 2005-08 in the Wings organization, left for almost four seasons, then returned at the trade deadline last year. “He never talked about that eight years ago. But if you look around on video, all the teams do it now. He’s definitely a very good systems coach. He’s definitely challenged me to a better player, for sure. A lot of skating in this system.”
