[Rumour] Roger Millions hints Cammalleri asked for trade [MRG]

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

Pittsburgh was all on Iggy. I consider it a loss because the Boston deal was better.

Bouw to St. Louis was a beak even deal at best. #4 was having his best year as a Flame.

Feaster just has an "easy mark" vibe IMO, but that's what happens when you have a lawyer gauging hockey talent.

People were willing to buy out Bouwmeester just 5 months earlier. And he still had term left on his contract with a $6.5 million dollar cap hit.

That was not an easy contract to move.

Getting a 1st, Cundari (looked good here), and Berra (impressed at the World Championships) was a decent return.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People were willing to buy out Bouwmeester just 5 months earlier. And he still had term left on his contract with a $6.5 million dollar cap hit.

That was not an easy contract to move.

Getting a 1st, Cundari (looked good here), and Berra (impressed at the World Championships) was a decent return.

Not only that, but what was given up to acquire Bouwmeester? Leopold 2.0 and a 3rd round pick...

So essentially it works out to turning Leo and a 3rd into a 1st, Cundari and Berra. Oh and the millions in salary paid, but those guys can afford it :P

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Parallex

So let me get this straight... you think that the Penguins if they were offered to undo the trade wouldn't do it? That's crazy... they'd get a first round pick and a couple of C prospects for almost literally nothing.

Bouwmeester is a bit more debatable since they have an extra year on the deal but I think it'd be close with them.

I don't really get what you are saying?

If there was an option to get back everything you traded for, if the team fell short of the cup, of course every team would trade back. That would be like getting free rental players.

I was saying they would take the trade that they made for Iggy again and again for a chance at the cup. They gave up nothing. If anything Shero should not have traded for Morrow or Murray.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Cammalleri for Niederreiter anyone?

Yes, I would take that.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

Pittsburgh was all on Iggy. I consider it a loss because the Boston deal was better.

Bouw to St. Louis was a beak even deal at best. #4 was having his best year as a Flame.

Feaster just has an "easy mark" vibe IMO, but that's what happens when you have a lawyer gauging hockey talent.

When you offer a player on the trade market, you get multiple offers and you take the best one. There's no jedi mind tricks played in negotiations. The only reason we sometimes see lopsided trades is when there is a very limited number of partners (see Phaneuf deal), or when the GMs fail to assess the value of a return. Every GM in the league knows exactly what Bouwmeester brings. Every GM had the opportunity to make a bid. Unless you think Feaster and Weisbrod vastly overvalued Cundari and Berra, the St. Louis deal was the best deal on the table. But really, it was about that 1st rounder, and nobody else offered a higher first. It's that simple.

If there was any overvaluation going on, it was the with Flames fans who have comical delusions about what Flames players are worth in trades.

[moon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People were willing to buy out Bouwmeester just 5 months earlier. And he still had term left on his contract with a $6.5 million dollar cap hit.

Since when is people being idiots a justification for a deal? Anyone who wanted to buyout Bouwmeester at the start of the season was crazy.

Also it wasn't that tough of a contract to move as many people mentioned Bouw was one of the most desired guys at the deadline.

[YYC in LAX]

I have no hate for Cammalleri or Tanguay and I know it's not a great managerial sentiment, but I'd be happy if we were able to give these guys away for free and move on.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by zukes

That is a stupid post, ask nik. It makes way too much sense for both parties.

Damn you're sensitive.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I have no hate for Cammalleri or Tanguay and I know it's not a great managerial sentiment, but I'd be happy if we were able to give these guys away for free and move on.

For free?
I would tell you what I think of this post but zukes would be all over me.

[flambers]

Challenge is with the cap lowering, and with Mr Cammalleri contract cap hit..

I would think he has very little value... Would be a really tough trade.

Flames would need to take back a problem contract... etc type of a trade.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by nik-

Damn you're sensitive.

What a stupid post! hehe

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by flambers

Challenge is with the cap lowering, and with Mr Cammalleri contract cap hit..

I would think he has very little value... Would be a really tough trade.

Flames would need to take back a problem contract... etc type of a trade.

I don't think the Flames are even close to having cap problems this year.

[Stay Golden]

The Panthers are such a screwy organization trade him there for their 1st round next year at the draft and hope that they toilet. FLA will probably need to hit the floor again and Cammy will be off their books. Then they can flip him at the trade deadline again for a 1st.
They are such a poorly run organization i would talk to them about Cammy.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I don't think the Flames are even close to having cap problems this year.

True but if the Flames were trying to trade Mike..... his cap hit is not attractive... especially for a 2nd line type of a player.

Its a really tough trade IMO, I doubt he has any value...

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I'm a huge Cammalleri fan. I want him to stick around because his production was good last season and I can't see him falling off. But again, if he doesn't want to be here, there's nothing Feaster can do about it.

I'm just really worried about next season. You've got two of the Flames' most high-profile veterans (Tanguay, Cammalleri) and both of them (might) want out. That doesn't look good. Going through with a rebuild is all fine and well, but we have to ice an NHL roster to remain at least a little bit competitive. Trade away those guys and we're going to be giving the '74-'75 Capitals a run for their money.

If Cammalleri truly wants out though, I'd like to see:

To DET: Cammalleri
To CGY: Riley Sheahan

Build around that.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Cammalleri for Niederreiter anyone?

Where do I sign?

Niederreiter is a great asset and can, if his AHL resurgence continues, slot in as an effective agitating forward (with an excellent scoring touch) basically anywhere in the roster. Speed is the only concern in my mind.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Cammalleri for Niederreiter anyone?

Not a chance Isles go for that - even with Calgary holding half the cap. Calgary would need to add significantly.

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The Panthers are such a screwy organization trade him there for their 1st round next year at the draft and hope that they toilet. FLA will probably need to hit the floor again and Cammy will be off their books. Then they can flip him at the trade deadline again for a 1st.
They are such a poorly run organization i would talk to them about Cammy.

I am not sure that is the case any longer. Florida has one of the deeper prospect pools now in the league. They seem to be rebuilding well. Tallon may not be a good 'finisher', but he seems to be a pretty good builder, and he is showing patience there. Better chance with the Canes I would think - think Cammy would be an upgrade over Tlusty on Eric's line, or fit in with Semin/J. Staal on the second.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I'm just really worried about next season. You've got two of the Flames' most high-profile veterans (Tanguay, Cammalleri) and both of them (might) want out. That doesn't look good.

This really stems from the whole "country club" atmosphere we had going on here. Kind of pisses me off...

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by flambers

True but if the Flames were trying to trade Mike..... his cap hit is not attractive... especially for a 2nd line type of a player.

Its a really tough trade IMO, I doubt he has any value...

There are ten teams with over 18 million in cap space. 4 of which were playoff teams this year and will be looking to get stronger. (Ottawa, Toronto, St.Louis, Islanders.) 2 other teams were bubble teams and on the cusp on making it in to the playoffs (Jets and Jackets). There is a market for a goal scorer like Cammy and he would get good value when traded. I don't think it will be for picks per say, mainly roster players and on verge of being NHL ready prospects. Ottawa does fit the bill perfectly IMO for both teams to make a good deal.

Winnipeg could definitely use some help in the goal scoring department and have a couple RFA's that no one is really sure will be in Winnipeg to start next season so there could be a good deal there as well.

If Columbus were to offer up one of their firsts if the Flames really wanted to get another I think there could be something there too.

Cammy only has to play one season wherever he goes so I'm not sure he would veto a trade.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dammage79

There are ten teams with over 18 million in cap space. 4 of which were playoff teams this year and will be looking to get stronger. (Ottawa, Toronto, St.Louis, Islanders.) 2 other teams were bubble teams and on the cusp on making it in to the playoffs (Jets and Jackets). There is a market for a goal scorer like Cammy and he would get good value when traded. I don't think it will be for picks per say, mainly roster players and on verge of being NHL ready prospects. Ottawa does fit the bill perfectly IMO for both teams to make a good deal.

Winnipeg could definitely use some help in the goal scoring department and have a couple RFA's that no one is really sure will be in Winnipeg to start next season so there could be a good deal there as well.

If Columbus were to offer up one of their firsts if the Flames really wanted to get another I think there could be something there too.

Cammy only has to play one season wherever he goes so I'm not sure he would veto a trade.

Not sure... he has a ~ 6M dollar cap hit. Is he the best bargin out there?

If a team has cap space.... would he be their first choice...?

Mike would scored 13 goals last season, on pace for 20 to 25 goals.