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[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Red John

Which is why they're trying so hard to move up a spot or two - because Nashville will take Barkov and Carolina will take Monahan as it stands.

If they can't trade up, the Flames need to either take Nichushkin at 6 or else move the pick back - no one else is really worth grabbing at that spot so if you don't want the Russian you move back and pick up another asset.

The Flames seem like a cursed organization - one pick higher and they are guaranteed to get one of the two guys they want but of course that couldn't happen even after the abortion of a season they had. Instead they'll either trade extra assets to get there or miss out completely on the guys they want.

Am a big believer though in earning your breaks and the Flames have been one of the worst managed organizations since the 90s so not going to cry over bad bounces too much.

I think they/we have to take Lindholm, but I guess if they feel Lindholm is a significant drop-off and they don't want Nichushkin, then the thing to do is to see what Columbus and Buffalo are offering...

[Vulcan]

I don't really want Kipper back either. He's been a great goalie on a defensive minded team but that isn't the Flames anymore. I'd like to see him accept a trade to a contender where defence is a priority but he may not feel the need to compete anymore.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by mac_82

If we only tanked properly in the first place we wouldn't have to give up major assets to move up into the top 3-4.

It was more Carolina, TB and NSH being a bunch of dinks and randomly sucking worse then we did, and they are all teams who were in play off positions last season

[nik-]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I think they/we have to take Lindholm, but I guess if they feel Lindholm is a significant drop-off and they don't want Nichushkin, then the thing to do is to see what Columbus and Buffalo are offering...

god I hope not.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by nik-

god I hope not.

Well, I hope not too, but if (1) they want no part of the Nichushkin risk and (2) based on their own evaluations, Lindholm is not much better than the next tier (Domi, Horvat, etc), I guess you have to trade down... EDIT: or up.

[Stay Golden]

With regards to his move into the top 5 comment.
If Feaster is able to move into the top 3 fine but if he moves a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot he is being buffaloed over by CAR that would be a really stupid move by Feaster.

[mrdonkey]

The smart thing to do in that situation is take Lindholm and be happy you're still getting a projected #1 center, even if he's not the guy you wanted.

But the total clown shoes manner in which this organization operates leads me to believe they'll either squander assets to move up a spot or two, or trade down and end up with a bunch of 'meh' players instead.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Lindholm?

Maybe - personally see him as quite a drop off from Monahan but thinking moreso that the Flames are already saying the guy they draft needs to be someone who can jump right into the lineup (a stupid way to think but thats another story). That really only leaves the Russian at 6. Would be dumb to end up taking a guy like Ristolainen there just to get an immediate impact guy - better to move the pick back.

Hopefully they can work a reaosnable deal out to move up a pick or two.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, I hope not too, but if (1) they want no part of the Nichushkin risk and (2) based on their own evaluations, Lindholm is not much better than the next tier (Domi, Horvat, etc), I guess you have to trade down... EDIT: or up.

I don't think trading down is necessarily a bad thing depending on the return. The issue is I can't imagine the return will be all that great as other teams will likely have the same reservations about a pick at that spot.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I hope Kipper decides to play, and agrees to be moved. Would be fantastic to gain some sort of asset by dealing him.

I hope he retires. As I see it, no good can come if he does not. If Kipper chooses to play out his contract and plays well, then the Flames will be just good enough to not get a top 5 pick but still undoubtedly miss the playoffs. If he plays poorly, then it tarnishes what has been an outstanding career, which I think is beneath him. Add to the fact that he will take the spot of one of our many goaltending prospects, and I really don't see how there is any benefit to him staying. Time to move on.

[SanFranFlamesFan]

I am confused, when did we all start writing off Lindholm and loving Monahan? The poll still has Lindholm up by a fair bit.

Is it because he said he's not going to play next year? Other than Murray Edwards, who cares. Everyone knows we aren't making the playoffs next season.

Are we actually trusting the Flames' scouting staff on this?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SanFranFlamesFan

I am confused, when did we all start writing off Lindholm and loving Monahan? The poll still has Lindholm up by a fair bit.

Is it because he said he's not going to play next year? Other than Murray Edwards, who cares. Everyone knows we aren't making the playoffs next season.

Are we actually trusting the Flames' scouting staff on this?

Yeah I must have missed the thread where Lindholm had been downgraded to chopped liver. The Hockey News has him ranked 4th overall and while they are just a rag their rankings over they year have been fairly close to where players have been picked. He's a pretty good consolation prize if Barkov and Monahan are both gone by 6 and I believe he's a bit better a prospect than the Domi's and Horvat's in the draft.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SanFranFlamesFan

I am confused, when did we all start writing off Lindholm and loving Monahan? The poll still has Lindholm up by a fair bit.

Is it because he said he's not going to play next year? Other than Murray Edwards, who cares. Everyone knows we aren't making the playoffs next season.

Are we actually trusting the Flames' scouting staff on this?

Same here? I thought that consensus was that Lindholm was ranked higher than Monahan and that we would be lucky to get him?

[Ashasx]

I still prefer Lindholm over Monahan but obviously there's zero chance the Flames take him over Monahan. Most on this forum have come to accept it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I must have missed the thread where Lindholm had been downgraded to chopped liver. The Hockey News has him ranked 4th overall and while they are just a rag their rankings over they year have been fairly close to where players have been picked. He's a pretty good consolation prize if Barkov and Monahan are both gone by 6 and I believe he's a bit better a prospect than the Domi's and Horvat's in the draft.

It's probably a defence mechanism since it seems (though still unknown) the Flames don't have interest in him. Downplay him in your mind, doesn't sting as much when we bypass him on draft day.

Personally I'd pick him over Monahan and a lot of others would to judging by the poll. He's more skilled in my mind and it would be a shame if we didn't take him if he's there and Monahan is gone, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Same here? I thought that consensus was that Lindholm was ranked higher than Monahan and that we would be lucky to get him?

There's usually not a lot of consensus in the draft.

Craig Button and Redline have Monahan ahead.
ISS, FC and Bob Mackenzie have Lindholm ahead.
Most rankings have them between 1 and 2 spots apart.

Basically it's a toss up. Just as our poll indicates. Both good players, both with 1st line centre upside. If the Flames slightly prefer Monahan I'm fine with that.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

I kind of have a man crush on you sun

[dammage79]

Yep, the whole Lindholm is a step down from Monahan jargin is off. This debate has been going on since before the draft lottery. It's been well documented his offensive upside is a step ahead of Monahans and his defensive accumen is on par with Monahans. His skating is better, his puck pursuit is more of a strength than Monahans. There's nothing outside of a couple mock drafts that says Lindholm is a lesser prospect.

EDIT: I wonder if this is more of a smoke screen by Feaster steering away from Lindholm publicly while internally they really have him pegged as their guy.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's been well documented his offensive upside is a step ahead of Monahans

It hasn't been documented at all but merely speculated on. I think some people on this board have underrated Monahan's offense from the youtube clips. All the scouting reports make him sound like a premiere playmaking centre.

As I said in the other thread ISS gives Monahan the edge in size/strength, puck skills and offensive play which they all rate as "Excellent" which is their top grade. Lindholm gets the "Excellent" grade on his competitiveness and hockey sense. He also has the edge in skating and physical play. They are rated the same on shot and defensive play.

[Caged Great]

I'd find it funny if after all this Monahan Vs Lindholm debate, that we select Nichushkin causing everyone to go insane (he's not a center, he's russian blah blah blah)