2013 Memorial Cup

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

With the lineup we should be icing the next couple years, there won't need to be any planning. As long management doesn't intend on trading futures or signing high priced UFA's were bound to be in the lottery mix in two years.

Not saying that's what would be best, but why fight the tide in this case?

Next year we're going to be in a division with LA, San Jose, Anaheim, Phoenix, Vancouver, and Edmonton. In two years what teams do you honestly see Calgary finishing ahead of? Maybe Phoenix if they're still even in our division, but that's about it (unless one of the other teams blows things up).

There is absolutely no way that the Flames are as bad as they were this year next year and the playoff teams not as good.

Hartley, King, Feaster will all be fired and out of hockey if the Flames are as bad. There is no way that Feaster ices a tanking line-up as his job in hockey will be on the line. New GM would likely mean whole new organization.

The Flames have always spent to the cap, they have lots of cap space to buy UFA's in a market where all other teams have to cut down.

Teams that are currently spending to the cap (most of the playoff teams) will be buying out under-achievers AND will not have cap space to bid on the UFA's.

The Pens have 7.8 M to sign 5-6 players to fill in their rosters.... Means UFA Iginla, Morrow, Murray, Dupuis and cooke will not be signed by the Pens .

The Hawks have 2M left to keep RFA Leddy and a goalie and another roster player..... Means Rosinval and Stalberg and Bickell are not Hawks next year.

If you don't see that big bodies Bickell and Stallberg make Baertschi and Hudler and Cammalleri better you just are not paying attention,

If Horton, Clarkson, Iginla, Regehr, Clowe, Ryder, Morrow, Cooke, Dupuis, Douglas murray do not sign with the Flames... who will they sign with? For how much ? and how does that team work them under the cap?

The Flames can basically figure out which ones of these UFA's they want and make them reasonable offers and they will be Flames.


The Flames are in their best position to become a playoff team since they signed Bouwmeester for so much more cap space than he was / is worth.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

I plan on being ahead of LA, San Jose, Anaheim and Phoenix. And I KNOW they will be ahead of Edmonton and Vancouver.

Sounds like you and Feaster have a lot in common...you think your fantasy = a plan

[GirlySports]

The Blades have always had miserable attendance numbers. It's amazing that there is still a team there.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is absolutely no way that the Flames are as bad as they were this year next year and the playoff teams not as good.

Hartley, King, Feaster will all be fired and out of hockey if the Flames are as bad. There is no way that Feaster ices a tanking line-up as his job in hockey will be on the line. New GM would likely mean whole new organization.

The Flames have always spent to the cap, they have lots of cap space to buy UFA's in a market where all other teams have to cut down.

Teams that are currently spending to the cap (most of the playoff teams) will be buying out under-achievers AND will not have cap space to bid on the UFA's.

The Pens have 7.8 M to sign 5-6 players to fill in their rosters.... Means UFA Iginla, Morrow, Murray, Dupuis and cooke will not be signed by the Pens .

The Hawks have 2M left to keep RFA Leddy and a goalie and another roster player..... Means Rosinval and Stalberg and Bickell are not Hawks next year.

If you don't see that big bodies Bickell and Stallberg make Baertschi and Hudler and Cammalleri better you just are not paying attention,

If Horton, Clarkson, Iginla, Regehr, Clowe, Ryder, Morrow, Cooke, Dupuis, Douglas murray do not sign with the Flames... who will they sign with? For how much ? and how does that team work them under the cap?

The Flames can basically figure out which ones of these UFA's they want and make them reasonable offers and they will be Flames.


The Flames are in their best position to become a playoff team since they signed Bouwmeester for so much more cap space than he was / is worth.

You are aware that Calgary is not the only team with cap space this summer...right?

The Sharks, Wings, Rangers, Kings, Leafs, Senators and Avalanche 9among others including the Oilers) ALL will be players in UFA should they choose to.

Its not like the Flames are the only option out there.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You are aware that Calgary is not the only team with cap space this summer...right?

The Sharks, Wings, Rangers, Kings, Leafs, Senators and Avalanche 9among others including the Oilers) ALL will be players in UFA should they choose to.

Its not like the Flames are the only option out there.

Sharks 8M for 8 players.... They sign Iginla for 4 M and go with a 20 player roster?

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is absolutely no way that the Flames are as bad as they were this year next year and the playoff teams not as good.

Hartley, King, Feaster will all be fired and out of hockey if the Flames are as bad. There is no way that Feaster ices a tanking line-up as his job in hockey will be on the line. New GM would likely mean whole new organization.

The Flames have always spent to the cap, they have lots of cap space to buy UFA's in a market where all other teams have to cut down.

Teams that are currently spending to the cap (most of the playoff teams) will be buying out under-achievers AND will not have cap space to bid on the UFA's.

The Pens have 7.8 M to sign 5-6 players to fill in their rosters.... Means UFA Iginla, Morrow, Murray, Dupuis and cooke will not be signed by the Pens .

The Hawks have 2M left to keep RFA Leddy and a goalie and another roster player..... Means Rosinval and Stalberg and Bickell are not Hawks next year.

If you don't see that big bodies Bickell and Stallberg make Baertschi and Hudler and Cammalleri better you just are not paying attention,

If Horton, Clarkson, Iginla, Regehr, Clowe, Ryder, Morrow, Cooke, Dupuis, Douglas murray do not sign with the Flames... who will they sign with? For how much ? and how does that team work them under the cap?

The Flames can basically figure out which ones of these UFA's they want and make them reasonable offers and they will be Flames.


The Flames are in their best position to become a playoff team since they signed Bouwmeester for so much more cap space than he was / is worth.

Your assessments are very premature... Trades and Buyouts will change the cap-space landscape a great deal.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Is Portland's back-up goalie a cardboard cut out? Why would then not switch goalies?

Carruth finally started looking good this year. He's looked like the mocked Jose "Three-or-more"before his overage year. He was considered one of the best CHL goalies for much of the season. It's tough, even with that performance, to pull him. That, plus Burke doesn't exactly fill people with confidence. He's not spectacular.

The way the game went though, I'd have taken Burke over Carruth after 5 or 6 goals.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Your assessments are very premature... Trades and Buyouts will change the cap-space landscape a great deal.

St.L will trade Bouwmeester for a couple of first round picks???? NOT!!

If there are trades then they will be lopsided in favour of the team taking on Cap/Salary.

I would trade Stempniak for Mike Richards.

Or take RFA Stephan or Hagelin or Zucurello for a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd round pick round pick. These guys would not be getting O'Rielly offer sheets but will want at least 3M like the Subban bargain.

Let the Rangers buy out Brad Richards and the Flame could use him as a stop gap for 2M/year.

The landscape will change but the Flames are in great position to take advantage.

[PeteLFan]

We will have to overpay big time for any big name free agent, only July 5th there will not be a lineup of free agents ready to become a Calgary flame. This is not a desirable situation right now, you assume that it's just that simple.

Teams won't just trade good players for us because the don't have the cap space, most teams will figure it out.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

We will have to overpay big time for any big name free agent, only July 5th there will not be a lineup of free agents ready to become a Calgary flame. This is not a desirable situation right now, you assume that it's just that simple.

Teams won't just trade good players for us because the don't have the cap space, most teams will figure it out.

I would disagree, even with a suspect team last year, the Flames didn't have a lot of problems getting UFA's, and Hudler and Weidman's deals were in line with what they would have gotten elsewhere.

If there are mass buyouts and free agency boosts because of the decrease in the cap, players will go where they can get a paycheck.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would disagree, even with a suspect team last year, the Flames didn't have a lot of problems getting UFA's, and Hudler and Weidman's deals were in line with what they would have gotten elsewhere.

If there are mass buyouts and free agency boosts because of the decrease in the cap, players will go where they can get a paycheck.

Not only that, but it is also likely the case that players will want short term contracts (since salaries will be temporarily pressured). That's a perfect scenario for the Flames, sign UFAs to 1 and/or 2 year deals. Then they can be traded at the deadline for assets.

[TurdFerguson]

Hope you guys don't mind if I mention something about the memorial cup.

Wasn't all that impressed with Drouin last night. Should get lots of chances tonight as the moose will light up the blades. Also curious to see what level MacKinnon is at after a dominating performance against Jones and the rest of the 'hawks.

Now, back to off- season roster speculation....

[J epworth]

Go Saskatoon! The only team I have no emotional investment in is Halifax so of course they are going to end up winning every game, but still it would be awesome to see a Blades win tonight.

[dammage79]

Makarov had a huge save on McKinnon in the first. Makarov has that ability to steal a game like this so it should be interesting.

The size of Saskatoon seems to be giving Halifax some trouble.

Sportsnet feed has some annoying white noise in the broadcast.

[Vulcan]

Too much hockey on right now. Besides the Saskatoon- Halifax, and the Ottawa- Pittsburgh games we have the RBC Junior A championship game with the Brooks Bandits against Summerside on TSN. Brooks is up 2-1.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is absolutely no way that the Flames are as bad as they were this year next year and the playoff teams not as good.

Hartley, King, Feaster will all be fired and out of hockey if the Flames are as bad. There is no way that Feaster ices a tanking line-up as his job in hockey will be on the line. New GM would likely mean whole new organization.

The Flames have always spent to the cap, they have lots of cap space to buy UFA's in a market where all other teams have to cut down.

Teams that are currently spending to the cap (most of the playoff teams) will be buying out under-achievers AND will not have cap space to bid on the UFA's.

The Pens have 7.8 M to sign 5-6 players to fill in their rosters.... Means UFA Iginla, Morrow, Murray, Dupuis and cooke will not be signed by the Pens .

The Hawks have 2M left to keep RFA Leddy and a goalie and another roster player..... Means Rosinval and Stalberg and Bickell are not Hawks next year.

If you don't see that big bodies Bickell and Stallberg make Baertschi and Hudler and Cammalleri better you just are not paying attention,

If Horton, Clarkson, Iginla, Regehr, Clowe, Ryder, Morrow, Cooke, Dupuis, Douglas murray do not sign with the Flames... who will they sign with? For how much ? and how does that team work them under the cap?

The Flames can basically figure out which ones of these UFA's they want and make them reasonable offers and they will be Flames.


The Flames are in their best position to become a playoff team since they signed Bouwmeester for so much more cap space than he was / is worth.

If the Flames are adding players from the lists of crap you mentioned up there they should be right in line to finish bottom 5 again this year and likely next.

Victor "healthy scratch" Stalberg is helping this team to the play-offs? Lol

[T@T]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You are aware that Calgary is not the only team with cap space this summer...right?

The Sharks, Wings, Rangers, Kings, Leafs, Senators and Avalanche 9among others including the Oilers) ALL will be players in UFA should they choose to.

Its not like the Flames are the only option out there.

Based on a low 22 man roster

Sharks have a little over $8m to sign 7 players.
Wings have $13m but need 3 players to fill out 22, not bad but Filppula,Cleary and Brunner are big peices to sign or replace..in good shape though.
L.A Kings have $14m to sign 8 players and some very key players
Toronto have $19m to sign 10 players, again some key players.
Oilers have $16m for 6 players, after Gagner and Paajari they need to find a defense.

Ottawa and Colorado are in good shape but not near as good as the Flames. Flames are in great shape for trades and UFA's.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by moon

If the Flames are adding players from the lists of crap you mentioned up there they should be right in line to finish bottom 5 again this year and likely next.

Victor "healthy scratch" Stalberg is helping this team to the play-offs? Lol

They'll be bottom 5 anyway, how does it hurt to add players like Horton if he would sign? Allot of holes to fill.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Yoho

They'll be bottom 5 anyway, how does it hurt to add players like Horton if he would sign? Allot of holes to fill.

Didn't say it would hurt.

But considering the overpayment we would need and the average play at best we are likely to get from him could be an anchor of a contract in a few years when team is supposedly ready to challenge for play-offs.

Dont really see the point in overpaying for meh guys.

[J epworth]

Makarov has been great and with a 2-0 lead right now Saskatoon is looking pretty good tonight.