TSN’s Bob MacKenzie says Craig MacTavish’s bold move could be trading 1st pick

[UKflames]

Lots of talk about EDM trading away their first pick + player for help on the back end but could anyone see them trading up?

For instance if they want that top D man for the back end, would they go after the FLA pick with their first & Yak (and/or someone else) to draft Jones?? Remember they only build through the draft not through trades

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Lots of talk about EDM trading away their first pick + player for help on the back end but could anyone see them trading up?

For instance if they want that top D man for the back end, would they go after the FLA pick with their first & Yak (and/or someone else) to draft Jones?? Remember they only build through the draft not through trades

That actually might work out for both teams.

Florida gets an extra young player to rebuild with, and Edmonton gets to pick 1st overall again, which is clearly their organizational priority.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so you are saying that Hall > Tavares and the Islanders are way ahead of the Oilers because
Moulson > Eberle,
Nielson > RHN,
Okposo > Gagner
Grabner > Yakapov

I said none of that, actually. In fact, I specifically stated the Oilers had the better high-end talent overall, which directly contradicts your attempts to assign an opinion to me. (Though yes, Tavares is better than Hall. Just not enough to singlehandedly put the Oilers into the postseason.)

I'll give you a second chance. This time, try and counter my actual argument, instead of attacking the strawman you built.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Lots of talk about EDM trading away their first pick + player for help on the back end but could anyone see them trading up?

For instance if they want that top D man for the back end, would they go after the FLA pick with their first & Yak (and/or someone else) to draft Jones?? Remember they only build through the draft not through trades

The Coilers need an NHL defenceman who can play top 2 minutes and dominate. They dont need an 18 yearold who may develop into a stud Dman over the next 5 years.

[albertGQ]

Say we have the 6th pick and the Devils end up with the 10th. Would either team swap picks and have Travis Zajac go to the Flames?

Would that be a fair trade for both teams?

I think I would do that

[Ashasx]

Those talking about Vancouver buying out 2 players this off-season - they can't. Only allowed one compliance buyout this summer, and one more next summer.

They will be giving Luongo away.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Those talking about Vancouver buying out 2 players this off-season - they can't. Only allowed one compliance buyout this summer, and one more next summer.

They will be giving Luongo away.

I think you misunstood the compliance buyouts.

A team is allowed 2 over 2 years, it doesn't have to be 1 in each year. It could be 2 in 1 year as well.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think you misunstood the compliance buyouts.

A team is allowed 2 over 2 years, it doesn't have to be 1 in each year. It could be 2 in 1 year as well.

This is how I understand it as well

So Flyers will probalby buy out Briere this summer and depending on how Brzy does next season, he may or may not be bought out after next season

[ernie]

Friedmann on Team 1040 this morning had an interesting bit of information. MacTavish was supposed to be out of country for the remainder of the season watching the under 18 tourney. They wanted him as an after hours guest on Saturday but were told he couldn't do it because of the trip he was on. They just got word that he is now leaving early and will be the guest on after hours.

The murmurs are that they are completely annoyed at how embarassing the team closed out the season and wants to be around when they do finish things off. He suspects Yakupov and/or Gagner will be on the move and expects them to undergo a heavy makeover in the summer.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think you misunstood the compliance buyouts.

A team is allowed 2 over 2 years, it doesn't have to be 1 in each year. It could be 2 in 1 year as well.

That's not how I understood it.

I read it as one per off-season, with a couple (Gomez, Redden), that were advanced early due to a special situation. I don't believe that the Rangers or Canadiens could buy anyone out this season if they wanted to, because they advanced their option early.

[kyuss275]

My prediction's for the oilers:

If they stay at the 5th spot they will draft Monahan and trade Yakupov for help on D. They might trade Gagner also for more help on D.

If oilers don't get Monahan or Barkov they will trade the pick for help on D. I don't see them waiting for Nurse to become a NHL player.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

The Coilers need an NHL defenceman who can play top 2 minutes and dominate. They dont need an 18 yearold who may develop into a stud Dman over the next 5 years.

Then why did they go so heavily after Schultz and I always get the impression that they love their young studs that could develop into something special.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Then why did they go so heavily after Schultz and I always get the impression that they love their young studs that could develop into something special.

No acquisition cost?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's not how I understood it.

I read it as one per off-season, with a couple (Gomez, Redden), that were advanced early due to a special situation. I don't believe that the Rangers or Canadiens could buy anyone out this season if they wanted to, because they advanced their option early.

you definitely misunderstood it

[d_phaneuf]

it's about Calgary but definitely fits with why Edmonton is struggling

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...ful-thing.html

20. There is some angst among Calgary fans that the Flames are winning too many games, now that they're up to 24th overall. If you're going to bring up your kids, guys you hope will be contributors in the future, you cannot "tank" around them. You can never allow them to think losing is acceptable.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You realize that contracts expire, right? And that the Canucks have $15M in existing contracts that expire in a couple of months.

Not saying they'll have the money to go after a guy like Iginla, but your math is way off and you're approaching it from entirely the wrong direction. If you want to figure out how much room a team has you have to add up their committed salary for next year and then make moves from there.

By my estimate (and assuming a couple of prospects will make the team next year), if the Canucks can get rid of Booth, Ballard, and Luongo they'll have about $50M committed to a 14 man roster leaving them $14M for 9 guys. Definitely tight, but 8 of those spots are made up of the following, most of whom can be had fairly cheaply:

-three 4th liners
-13th forward
-one bottom pairing defenseman
-7th and 8th defensemen
-backup goalie

Originally Posted by FAN

I think your math is wrong. Capgeek shows that the Canucks are about $102K over the cap next season with roster spots to fill. If the Canucks buy out Ballard and Booth and trade Luongo, they will be fine. Regardless, keep in mind that any salary coming back from the Luongo trade will likely mean a roster player. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the Canucks, but my bet is that they are going to pencil in a couple of their prospects to fill roster spots.

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Buying out Booth and Ballard 4.2+4.2=8.4 mill

Luongo trade 5.3 mill

So they will free up 13.7 mill.

They are up against the cap right now and the cap is going down by 6 mill so that eats almost half of it.

In the Luongo trade with the cap going down they will most likely have to take salary back.

Also with the Higgins, Burrows, Edler extensions and higher cap hits kicking in next year, that eats an extra 5 mill. 2 mill more on Edler deal, 2.5 mill more on Burrows and 0.6 on Higgins.

So with the 13.7-6mill = 7.7 with cap going down. Then 7.7 - 5 mill in extensions = 2.7 mill left.

Then salary back in the Luongo deal, they will be right up to the cap. Of course they can let Raymond walk but with that money they will have to replace Booth, Ballard and Raymond and a backup goalie with very very cheap guys.

Ugly offseason for VAN.

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

it's been pointed out before but yes very easily they could, basically what Blaster said above and they can pay someone 6+

Ok, let's looks at this:

The Cap for next season is $64 million. The Canucks, as it sits, have $63 million already committed, totalling 8 forwards, 5 D, and two goalies.

Assuming that the Canucks could trade Luongo for a similar deal as Toronto offered at the deadline, where the Canucks would retain half his salary (I still think this is a big if), the Canucks gain $2.66 million in Cap Space.

That would allow them to buy out Ballard and Booth saving another $8.45 million. Put that all together, and the Canucks have 1+2.66+8.45 = about $12 million in Cap space, but would still have 7 forwards, 3 defensemen, and a goalie to pay with that space.

Paying someone like Iginla (let's say $6 million), means that the Canucks would have ~$6 million in cap space left to sign 10 players, plus leave a little bit of wiggle room. That's enough cap space to fill those spots, but the Canucks wouldn't even have the option to call up more than one of there more expensive entry level contracts.

At that point, the Canucks have very little depth on their roster, and likely are a worse team then they are this year, which is already past their prime.

More likely in my opinion, is that the Canucks are forced to buy out Luongo after not being able to trade him. That leaves only one of Booth/Ballard available to buy out. After that, the Canucks would have $10.5 million in space to pay 9 more skaters plus a backup goalie. Signing Iginla for $6 million leaves $4.5 million to sign 9 more players - i.e. less than NHL minimum average - so that doesn't work.

Sorry, there's no way the Canucks can afford to sign Iginla next season, without other teams miraculously helping Vancouver out of their cap hell first.

[d_phaneuf]

The Canucks aren't taking back any salary when they trade Luongo, nor will they buy him out

they would release him instead and be on the hook for none of his salary if it ever came to that, which it won't

he wouldn't last 5 minutes on waivers if someone can get him for free

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

The Canucks aren't taking back any salary when they trade Luongo, nor will they buy him out

they would release him instead and be on the hook for none of his salary if it ever came to that, which it won't

he wouldn't last 5 minutes on waivers if someone can get him for free

How can they just "release" him? Why didn't Montreal and NYR do that with the players they just bought out, then?

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

The Canucks aren't taking back any salary when they trade Luongo, nor will they buy him out

they would release him instead and be on the hook for none of his salary if it ever came to that, which it won't

he wouldn't last 5 minutes on waivers if someone can get him for free

You have to remember that to many posters on here Luongo is the worst goalie to ever play not a routine top 10 goalie with multiple Vezina nominations, a gold medal, a great junior career and a solid play-off run in which his team came within 1 game of winning the cup.

It makes much more sense for a team like Florida to go with studs like Markstrom and Clemmenson then get a real goalie that can help them win games.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How can they just "release" him? Why didn't Montreal and NYR do that with the players they just bought out, then?

Seems like he is talking about waivers if you read the next sentence and I believe that Montreal and NYR tried that with no takers. If Luongo is on waivers there would be takers.