[PGT] Abottsford Flames Crush the Wild 4-1!

[Bar-Down]

Tough to watch us climb the standings. Such crappy lucky wins. Jimmy Howard scoring two on himself and so on. We get vastly outshot every game and just score lucky goals.

It will just take longer to rebuild thats all, getting that top 3 pick this year would've been HUGE. But I suppose we have a shot at top picks the next few years.

Connor McDavid in 2015 is definitely an exciting possibility.

[FanIn80]

Well the good news is not only do we suck at winning when it matters, we also suck at sucking when it matters.

At least we're consistent.

[Azure]

TJ Brodie is our #1 defensemen right now. Has been all year, but needed to learn and when Bouwmeester got traded, needed to step up. He has done both.

As for the winning, and as a result getting a lower draft pick.....realize that by winning we are teaching a lot of young players how to play hard to and give it all every shift regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not. The Oilers did exactly the opposite, and their bomb for #1 hasn't exactly worked out any better.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The... posters... who seek failure really should engage in a little so-called "intellectual honesty" of their own. This team was never bad enough to finish at the bottom of the league. You got your hopes up for no reason when the team went on an ungodly road losing streak that nobody should have expected could continue indefinitely.

Anyway, I'll now leave the floor to those who ruin every thread with their whining about how we won't get Jones or MacKinnon.

The... posters... who need to get off their high horse about how they can't cheer for a loser should engage in a little so-called "intellectual honesty" of their own. This current team is nowhere near as good as their recent results indicate. You're getting your hopes up for no reason when the team went a on a winning streak that nobody should expect to continue and you should know best - since you're the posters who were ragging on Oilers fans for getting cocky when guys like Gagner/Nilson/Cogliano played great in March/April.

Anyway, I'll now leave the floor to those who ruin every thread with their reminders that 1st overall pick Alexandre Daigle busted and how the Oilers rebuild didn't work and other assorted cherry-picked small sample size data points.

[The Goon]

Screw the draft pick, I'm calling playoffs!

[RyZ]

I can't remember the last time I saw a team get handled 4-1 at home and have 2 of the 3 star selections. However, this is Minnesota, where Cal Clutterbuck seems to get credited with about 5+ hits every night at home.

[Da_Chief]

Missed the game, can anyone provide their thoughts on Cundari plz, good and bad. Thanks

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Both Detroit and the Wild really needed to win those games. I don't think the Flames were taken all that lightly.

Also - even if the Flames' plan was to tank (man I hope not) what else could they do here? Glencross, Wideman and Tanguay are hurt - they are forced to play youth, who are playing well.

Keep Comeau, keep playing our lazy overpaid vets (Babchuk, Tanguay - why did you get injured, Glencross - see Tanguay, etc etc)

Yay another win. Get on a hot streak after we are eliminated from the playoffs - isn´t that the story as a Flames fan for the most part of the last 15 years? Have to laugh at the condecending posters who look down on people who want a higher pick - they are fans like how Darryl Sutter GMed, just win the next game. Not that Im going to say to lose on purpose, but its funny to they think its some sort of sign that we are gonna be awesome next year. Did you gets get fooled for the better part of the past 15 years too? Anyways, it is what it is - players are taught to compete, and as a Flames fan, you should know we are at our best when there is nothing to lose and we are out of the playoffs.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Toronto and Edmonton have been pulling this same thing for years now. Play well when the heat is off just to go back to being a train wreck the season after..

At what point in the last 5 years has Edmonton done this? They've picked 1st overall for 3 years running and have had a top 10 pick for 5 of the last 6 years.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by JayP

The... posters... who need to get off their high horse about how they can't cheer for a loser should engage in a little so-called "intellectual honesty" of their own. This current team is nowhere near as good as their recent results indicate. You're getting your hopes up for no reason when the team went a on a winning streak that nobody should expect to continue and you should know best - since you're the posters who were ragging on Oilers fans for getting cocky when guys like Gagner/Nilson/Cogliano played great in March/April.

Anyway, I'll now leave the floor to those who ruin every thread with their reminders that 1st overall pick Alexandre Daigle busted and how the Oilers rebuild didn't work and other assorted cherry-picked small sample size data points.

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order to lose.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The... posters... who seek failure really should engage in a little so-called "intellectual honesty" of their own. This team was never bad enough to finish at the bottom of the league. You got your hopes up for no reason when the team went on an ungodly road losing streak that nobody should have expected could continue indefinitely.

Anyway, I'll now leave the floor to those who ruin every thread with their whining about how we won't get Jones or MacKinnon.

I don't agree with the bolded part at all. If this team had kept Iggy and made no trades at the deadline this team would be fighting for last spot. The veteran team sucked as bad if not worse than the veteran teams that are tanking now.

The biggest thing the young guys have shown is how badly the key veterans, ie Iggy, Tanguay , Glencross ect were at floating.

I am glad Iggy is gone and i hope Tanguay goes also.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order for that to happen.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

Yah I'm not sure what people are arguing about here? The Flames have made every attempt to tank here. Not sure you can really blame the young guys for trying to make a name for themselves and the vets for playing with some pride.

I'm sure everyone of us would love to be in a position to draft in the top 3, but sh** happens!

[edn88]

If you really wanted to tank it, you could do it by playing Babs 30 minutes a night...

Maybe the bright side is if this is all an illusion, that a bunch of AHLers who couldn't make their own playoffs are actually good enough to get the Flames to the promised land, that maybe we get the other wonderkid that is supposed to be in next years draft.

Sure would have been nice to have had Seth Jones or one of the other top 3 draft picks, but if not I hope we are able to add the right free-agent pieces, and move on to respectability.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Keep Comeau, keep playing our lazy overpaid vets (Babchuk, Tanguay - why did you get injured, Glencross - see Tanguay, etc etc)

Yay another win. Get on a hot streak after we are eliminated from the playoffs - isn´t that the story as a Flames fan for the most part of the last 15 years? Have to laugh at the condecending posters who look down on people who want a higher pick - they are fans like how Darryl Sutter GMed, just win the next game. Not that Im going to say to lose on purpose, but its funny to they think its some sort of sign that we are gonna be awesome next year. Did you gets get fooled for the better part of the past 15 years too? Anyways, it is what it is - players are taught to compete, and as a Flames fan, you should know we are at our best when there is nothing to lose and we are out of the playoffs.

Tell me. How is this team similar to any team in years past? Who are the veterans?

If you were a kid, would you not want to showcase your sh** at the NHL level? Go ahead, blame the poor kids. The majority of players on this team are competing for a roster spot.

Not to mention the huge pay increases the kids get for playing at the NHL level...

[SebC]

Originally Posted by krynski

I prefer the long-term sustainability route. Good standings +good trades+ good development + good scouting = consistent cup contender, with developing replacing maturing talent

Everyone would prefer that, but that's not a choice unless you have ownership and management that is significantly smarter than everyone else. And even then, the structures in the league that are designed to pull you back to mediocrity might be enough to make the magnitude of "smartness advantage" you'd need to pull it off unobtainable.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order for that to happen.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

It tells you a little something about the NHL team the GM (Feaster) tries to assemble, does it not? When for the 2nd year in a row, it is our minor league team that gets us the above 0.500 and our NHL is one of the worst in the league, full of big fat contracts and NTC/NMC.

Oh and to answer your question... keep Comeau?

[edn88]

I wonder if the Hurricanes, Preds etc that are in a free fall are trying to tank, or if they are just not that good.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order to lose.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

This is how i look at it as well. The Wild, Ducks and Wings should have beaten us. All three of them have superior rosters and yet they couldn't get the two points. If anyone should be mad it's should be those teams. You can't blame a young roster guys for going out their and trying.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by SebC

Everyone would prefer that, but that's not a choice unless you have ownership and management that is significantly smarter than everyone else. And even then, the structures in the league that are designed to pull you back to mediocrity might be enough to make the magnitude of "smartness advantage" you'd need to pull it off unobtainable.

Some teams do it, so is it really unattainable?

Maybe for the Oil if you never fire KLowe...

[sun]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Keep Comeau, keep playing our lazy overpaid vets (Babchuk, Tanguay - why did you get injured, Glencross - see Tanguay, etc etc)

Yay another win. Get on a hot streak after we are eliminated from the playoffs - isn´t that the story as a Flames fan for the most part of the last 15 years? Have to laugh at the condecending posters who look down on people who want a higher pick - they are fans like how Darryl Sutter GMed, just win the next game. Not that Im going to say to lose on purpose, but its funny to they think its some sort of sign that we are gonna be awesome next year. Did you gets get fooled for the better part of the past 15 years too? Anyways, it is what it is - players are taught to compete, and as a Flames fan, you should know we are at our best when there is nothing to lose and we are out of the playoffs.

Has one single person on this site said we're gonna be awesome next year? Is that what you're saying? I've yet to see that post, if so.