[Rumour] Garrioch: "Ken King will be moving on"

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by calgARI

He said over and over the last three years that he thought it was and not one thing done until Iginla was traded indicated he believed this was anything but a playoff team. I doubt he would have accepted and stayed in the job if he so sharply disagreed with the owners given that he basically left Tampa Bay because he so strongly disagreed with the owners there. The guy doesn't know what good is.

Feaster guaranteed that we would make the playoffs. So I am in agreement: he either didn't see the problems in the organization or he was being intellectually dishonest.

Neither explanation should fill fans with anything outside of concern

[DazzlinDino]

I thought Feaster concept of involving hockey people in the decision making process was an excellent concept. I hope he continues to demonstrate that they have various hockey minds involved in the process; "and that they have a detailed plan of attack to improve the team going forward."

Hindsight; "KK speeking with the media regarding the Iggy trade" easily gave people the impression that KK ownership and of course Feaster calling most of the shots. Ken King should lay low when it comes to hockey matters and let a hockey minds deal with the PR aspect of it. This is the proper way to show that the appropriate people are involved in areas they should be.

The man has done a lot for this city, sometimes this stuff is a learning experience for everyone "We learn.. and we grow". We need to look at what successful teams do how they are managed, what went wrong with teams such as the Oilers.

Feaster would do well to put together a think tank team that analyzes organizational strategies and how they attract players, adopt a winning culture. The Flames need hockey minds that detail winning and losing organizations. It's safe to say we are part way there but we need to do it better than Boston, Detroit or whoever sets the highest bar.

[ricosuave]

Either way, I'd like to see Burke get the position. I'm not suggesting he'd meddle, but I do think a strong voice to combat in both directions is needed, and he's one of the best at doing so.

[Mattman]

Great Ken King did nothing to get players (Brad Richards, ROR, or other big names over the years) intrested in this organization. Also the fan base is consistently losing people.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by calgARI

He said over and over the last three years that he thought it was and not one thing done until Iginla was traded indicated he believed this was anything but a playoff team. I doubt he would have accepted and stayed in the job if he so sharply disagreed with the owners given that he basically left Tampa Bay because he so strongly disagreed with the owners there. The guy doesn't know what good is.

No one thought this was a playoff team this year, no one, which begs the question, is Feater lying or a moron, personally I don't believe he's a moron so I have no doubt he is covering the unpalatable truth that he knew full well how bad the team were but had his hands tied.
What he has said and done are absoloutly synonymous with that interpretation.
Unemployment has a way of making you do stuff you used to refuse

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

To use an idiotic CP meme, "intellectual honesty".

King inherited a franchise widely thought to be on the verge of relocation, especially if the league didn't get a good CBA. He quickly targeted and hired a coach/GM that took the team to the Finals and produced several seasons in the playoffs, while his business sense helped the team rebuild its image and create a local sporting empire.

The Oilers have never made the post-season since Lowe has been their President, and have in fact endured the worst three-season period in the history of North American major professional sport. Perhaps someone more in tune with Edmonton can correct me if wrong, but I don't think he's accomplished anything really notable on the business side either.

In the early 2000s, all of the Canadian franchises except Montreal and Toronto were in deep trouble and threatening to relocate. Since then, all have seen revenue increase dramatically, and Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, and Vancouver have all made appearances in the Stanley Cup final. If King was the Flames' saviour, then I suppose it's just a remarkable coincidence that those other three Canadian teams all had saviours at the helm at the same time.

[TurnedTheCorner]

I still don't know the difference between Garrioch and Eklund.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

I still don't know the difference between Garrioch and Eklund.

Garrioch had jokinen's return to the flames before anyone else. He clearly has some source somewhere in this city.

[Vinny01]

To me King moving on makes some sense from some past rumours. It was said that he might take over as CEO of the whole Flames empire that includes the stamps, Hitmen, Roughnecks. With 2 pot etial new buildings on the horizon and even rumors/hopes of an MLS franchise there could be a lot of work ahead for him. At the time we all hoped JD was taking the presidents gig

Feaster said if Edwards wants to rebuild this team he can find a new GM. Maybe he said this knowing that the team wasn't going to move into a rebuild until Iggy's last year? So if King moves on Feaster, Weisbroad, Conroy all move up a position? I always thought Feaster sounded too cocky when he made that comment. Almost like he knew he was safe.

Then you have the "rumour" Burke was in town interviewing for Kings job. No idea if that was real or just made up but it was thrown out there by someone on here.

Then again none of this could be true

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is there a role for Brian Burke here?

This crossed my mind too.

Ken King moves on (or up) to oversee the Flames Group and the new arena development.

Brian Burke steps in as President & GM. His strong personality would in essence make him the "face of the franchise", allowing kids like Baertschi to develop with a little less attention than they would get otherwise.

I also wouldn't be upset of Feaster & Weisbrod stayed on as Vice-President (Feaster) and Assistant GM (Weisbrod)

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No one thought this was a playoff team this year, no one, which begs the question, is Feater lying or a moron, personally I don't believe he's a moron so I have no doubt he is covering the unpalatable truth that he knew full well how bad the team were but had his hands tied.
What he has said and done are absoloutly synonymous with that interpretation.
Unemployment has a way of making you do stuff you used to refuse

Well, this begs all sorts of questions...

If he believed we weren't a playoff team, when was that? Could they have been looking to trade iggy last year and gotten more?

The ROR deal. Still seems like a "win now" move, simply as a result of the contract term and payout. Yes, he is a young player, but IMO, we already have a guy in Backlund that can become ROR. Not to mention the loss of a potential top 5 pick...

The fact that we only have Backlund signed to a one year deal worries me. Not only because we may lose him for nothing, but the fact that the brain trust doesn't think he is an important piece to lock up?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Well, this begs all sorts of questions...

If he believed we weren't a playoff team, when was that? Could they have been looking to trade iggy last year and gotten more?

The ROR deal. Still seems like a "win now" move, simply as a result of the contract term and payout. Yes, he is a young player, but IMO, we already have a guy in Backlund that can become ROR. Not to mention the loss of a potential top 5 pick...

The fact that we only have Backlund signed to a one year deal worries me. Not only because we may lose him for nothing, but the fact that the brain trust doesn't think he is an important piece to lock up?

The last deal Backlund signed was a "show me contract" - he had done nothing to that point to warrant a longer term deal.

At the time I imagine the braintrust wasn't sure if he was an important piece to lock up because he had not proven himself.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Well, this begs all sorts of questions...

If he believed we weren't a playoff team, when was that? Could they have been looking to trade iggy last year and gotten more?

The ROR deal. Still seems like a "win now" move, simply as a result of the contract term and payout. Yes, he is a young player, but IMO, we already have a guy in Backlund that can become ROR. Not to mention the loss of a potential top 5 pick...

The fact that we only have Backlund signed to a one year deal worries me. Not only because we may lose him for nothing, but the fact that the brain trust doesn't think he is an important piece to lock up?

What?? There is zero evidence to show that the flames don't want to extend backlund long term. His current contract can't be used in the argument considering the parameters/circumstances in place at the time of him signing his current contract.

We all need to look forward. After the ROR fiasco, which was idiotic, the actions taken do indicate the team is moving forward in a direction people are asking for:
- trade iginla
- trade bouwmeester
- try to trade kipper

all getting back 1st round picks and taking back $0 salary cap hits.

I am so much more optimistic that things are showing potential for improvement now than i have been for 2 years now as a flames fan.

Hopefully management sticks to this notion of targetting "pre-apex" players, meaning they aren't going to blow the capspace on past their prime vets, but instead will rebuild with youth, and have the capspace to get the targetted players on the trade/free agent market should they become available.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The last deal Backlund signed was a "show me contract" - he had done nothing to that point to warrant a longer term deal.

At the time I imagine the braintrust wasn't sure if he was an important piece to lock up because he had not proven himself.

Well, that's the rub isn't it? Management made the call that Backlund hadn't done enough to warrant more, though, I am sure there would have been other ways of structuring a longer term contract that would have satisfied both parties but at a longer term.

I think Backlund could easily be our ROR, getting about 40-45 points a year. I'll be interested to see what the organization thinks of him.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Well, that's the rub isn't it? Management made the call that Backlund hadn't done enough to warrant more, though, I am sure there would have been other ways of structuring a longer term contract that would have satisfied both parties but at a longer term.

How could they structure his contract? He is not eligible for performance bonuses. You can't just give Backlund a 5 year contract without knowing if he is a legit player or not. He's still hasn't proven enough to warrant more than a 2 year deal, maybe 3.

[nik-]

I'd be pretty happy with Backlund on a 4 x $2 or 4 x $2.5

[ComixZone]

Backlund on Glencross' contract (5 x 2.55) without any NTC/NMC would make me happy.

I still don't think he has shown anything that proves he's 1st or 2nd line center, but at 2.55 he can be a solid and useful 3rd line center.

[Ashasx]

I think Backlund will get 2 years at around $2.1M AAV.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Do not be surprised to see Backlund get around $3 million per year and 4-5 years. He's entering his prime and that would likely be a comparable deal for a two-way center getting 40-50 points.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Do not be surprised to see Backlund get around $3 million per year and 4-5 years. He's entering his prime and that would likely be a comparable deal for a two-way center getting 40-50 points.

He's done nothing to warrant that type of contract, yet.