The 2013 Masters

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think it's taken time but everyone understand what happened and the ruling was correct.

For everyone who says it's stupid for viewers to call in and get players DQ'd, it no longer exists but players still get a penalty.

It still exists. It just gives the tournament the leeway to simply apply the appropriate penalty instead of an automatic DQ. They can now use their judgement.

[trackercowe]

Bubba Watson is no fan of viewers calling in violations

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tions/2080421/

He makes a good point on the fact that it's unfair for players like Tiger who are so popular that every shot they take is filmed. Meanwhile your Jason Day and Mark Leishman's of the world could be committing their own violations and are getting away with it because viewers at home aren't seeing every shot they take.

[gonzo29]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

What I find kind of weird is what did Tiger tell the committee (after the round, before he signed his card) that they decided not to do anything, yet when he talks to the media and says he moved the ball back the committee now feels thy need to contact him again and apply the penalty?

What was said in that first meeting?


And players I heard didn't say he should be DQed, they believe he should withdraw. And the reasoning seems to be that in a sport where you generally call your own penalties, you shouldn't continue when you know you broke a rule (accidentally or not) AND knowingly benefited from breaking it.

There was no first meeting with Tiger before he signed his card. The initial decision was made by the committee without Tiger's knowledge. That's why he wasn't DQ'd.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Bubba Watson is no fan of viewers calling in violations

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tions/2080421/

He makes a good point on the fact that it's unfair for players like Tiger who are so popular that every shot they take is filmed. Meanwhile your Jason Day and Mark Leishman's of the world could be committing their own violations and are getting away with it because viewers at home aren't seeing every shot they take.

It's actually pretty pathetic from the PGA's standpoint. Imagine if NHL/NFL/NBA fans could phone in penalties?

Sounds like the rules committee actually looked at it after a viewer called in, ruled he did nothing wrong, then Tiger made that comment about 2 yards back, which is where they gave him the penalty and now we go on from there. TV wants to make a big deal of it hoping more people will watch, nothing more, nothing less.

[transplant99]

Sure looks like the greens are firming up quickly....could prove to be an adventure as the day goes on.

Cabrera all of a sudden looks like he is taking dead aim at another Masters title.

[transplant99]

Freddy.....ouch.

[gonzo29]

Cabrera is just a baffling player. Doesn't contend in anything for several years, and then will pop up on a major championship leaderboard and stay there.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

Cabrera is just a baffling player. Doesn't contend in anything for several years, and then will pop up on a major championship leaderboard and stay there.

Please no

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Freddy.....ouch.

He was flirting with a penalty stroke on how quickly he picked up the ball on the par putt that rolled back

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

Cabrera is just a baffling player. Doesn't contend in anything for several years, and then will pop up on a major championship leaderboard and stay there.

The whole tourney this year is baffling. Penalties and some pretty crappy golf where in perfect conditions they should be scoring well.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

He was flirting with a penalty stroke on how quickly he picked up the ball on the par putt that rolled back

Call it in, though you'll probably be on hold after yesterday.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

The whole tourney this year is baffling. Penalties and some pretty crappy golf where in perfect conditions they should be scoring well.

Ya, looks like anything in the double digits will win. The Masters is all about highlight reel shots, but not much so far. The conditions might be a little tougher this year. I dont mind though- The majors should be under tough conditions

[gonzo29]

Getting to -4 would be a big boost for Tiger's chances tomorrow. Gotta think the lead's going to get to 7 or 8 by the end of the day. One of these leaders is due to step up.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You dont get DQ'd for breaking the rules...thats a 2 stroke penalty which he was assessed...you get that for signing an incorrect scorecard.....

I know. However, the fact remains that he signed an incorrect scorecard and should be disqualified. Here is the sequence of events:

- Tiger elects to replay his shot rather than taking a drop in the drop zone, fine.
- Tiger places his ball two yards back from the position of the initial shot, a clear violation of a very basic rule of golf.
- Tiger plays the rest of the round and signs his scorecard, which is incorrect as he should have been assessed a penalty.
- Tiger says this in a post round interview:

“So I went back to where I played it from, but I went two yards further back and I took, tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit... I felt that that was going to be the right decision to take off four right there. And I did. It worked out perfectly.”

Admitting that he broke the rule.

In my mind, the TV viewer calling in doesn't play into this at all, as Tiger admitted to the violation himself.

Originally Posted by transplant99

......which was not his fault as the rules committee had said there was no violation BEFORE he signed his card and changed their ruling AFTER he signed his card.

Keep in mind that there was no contact between Tiger and the rules committee between the time of the illegal drop and his interview. If a rules official on-course had told Tiger that the drop was legal, then I could see the logic behind today's ruling. But as it stands it just appears that Augusta has manufactured a way to keep him around for the weekend.

The other thing to consider here is the question of how a professional golfer could possibly screw up this rule. He obviously was confused between dropping along the line of where the ball crossed the hazard and playing from where the ball was last played, but come on.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by Zarley

I know. However, the fact remains that he signed an incorrect scorecard and should be disqualified. Here is the sequence of events:

- Tiger elects to replay his shot rather than taking a drop in the drop zone, fine.
- Tiger places his ball two yards back from the position of the initial shot, a clear violation of a very basic rule of golf.
- Tiger plays the rest of the round and signs his scorecard, which is incorrect as he should have been assessed a penalty.
- Tiger says this in a post round interview:

Admitting that he broke the rule.

In my mind, the TV viewer calling in doesn't play into this at all, as Tiger admitted to the violation himself.



Keep in mind that there was no contact between Tiger and the rules committee between the time of the illegal drop and his interview. If a rules official on-course had told Tiger that the drop was legal, then I could see the logic behind today's ruling. But as it stands it just appears that Augusta has manufactured a way to keep him around for the weekend.

The other thing to consider here is the question of how a professional golfer could possibly screw up this rule. He obviously was confused between dropping along the line of where the ball crossed the hazard and playing from where the ball was last played, but come on.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.

In the old days it was all about the integrity of the game but these days it's all about cash. No way they take their breadwinner out of the tourney. He ain't Bobby Jones et. al. But there wasn't as much cash on the line back then. Money talks / if was just some ordinary bozo they send him packing but kill their ratings for two days?

They would never do it!

[gonzo29]

Originally Posted by Zarley

I know. However, the fact remains that he signed an incorrect scorecard and should be disqualified.

Rule 33-7 makes this issue not as black and white as it once was.

Originally Posted by Zarley

Keep in mind that there was no contact between Tiger and the rules committee between the time of the illegal drop and his interview.

This is actually the very reason why he wasn't disqualified, as the competition committee made the initial (incorrect) ruling that Tiger hadn't violated any rules before he finished, and allowed him to sign his (incorrect) scorecard. Because of this, when the violation was brought to light, rule 33-7 was invoked to assess a 2 shot penalty and waive disqualification.

I too apologize for beating this dead horse.

[St. Pats]

So much for Freddy. Just too old / does not have the nerves for it anymore.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

So much for Freddy. Just too old / does not have the nerves for it anymore.

I dont think its nerves at all. His back problems are well documented- possibly more back issues than any other household name golfer in our time. He has seen experts across the globe and has had an endless number of procedures.

[killer_carlson]

Im cheering for Cabrerra who no one on the Golf Channel is talking about right now.

And put me in th category of hoping Tiger makes a charge and tells these detractors to stuff it.

[transplant99]

Another guy not getting much mention is Bernie Langer....dude knows how to win this tourney and has been playing very well.