What is Wrong with People

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by polak

Potentially, she regretted consenting after the pics leaked and claimed rape.

Once again, innocent until proven guilty.

Again, you still don't understand, it's not the complainant v the accused, it's the crown v the accused. All she is, is essentially a witness of a crime. Pictures leaked, she finally got the courage to come forward about it, it's up to the courts to decide if she is believable or not, she's not up against the accused, the crown is against the accused.

The attitude you have to this is why people like her struggle to come forward about rapes.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

she wants them to face actual justice, not mob justice.

Its admirable in a lot of ways.

Does Canada have capital punishment?

[polak]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Again, you still don't understand, it's not the complainant v the accused, it's the crown v the accused. All she is, is essentially a witness of a crime. Pictures leaked, she finally got the courage to come forward about it, it's up to the courts to decide if she is believable or not, she's not up against the accused, the crown is against the accused.

The attitude you have to this is why people like her struggle to come forward about rapes.

Yes but then they have to prove that it was indeed rape. Just cause they think there might be a case, doesn't mean it was a rape. I don't get what you're trying to argue here.

Either way, the crown obviously doesn't buy her case... From the OP...

No grounds to reopen alleged sex assault case, says Crown

But yes, lets ruin these kids life.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The rape or lack thereof is essentially irrelevant. It's the bullying that led her to kill herself. So these kids getting outed for either participating in the bullying or starting it by spreading the pictures eliminates their "innocence". What I kinda like about what Anon does is they effectively make the punishment as bad as it can be without jail. Once these guys names get leaked they're basically confined to working at McDonalds the rest of their lives, cause any company with an HR person will search their names on Google or Facebook, and that would be that.

[FanIn80]

The most disturbing thing about this story is that, in this day and age, the word "slut" is still held in such regard that people will kill themselves over the use of it. I don't know all the particulars of the case. I don't know if it was rape or not, but that's not the point that I'm discussing here. I'm talking about this notion that other people should be able to project their own sexual hangups to such a level, that it actually leads someone to take their own life over it.

You know what? I don't give a rat's ass if a chick in high school decides to blow the entire friggin basketball team in their dressing room. Who seriously gives a sh*t? It's her life, it's her mouth, it's her body. I also don't give a rat's ass if some other chick in high school would never in a million years ever dream about even something as simple as wearing an open-collared shirt to school. Who cares? It's her life, it's her clothes, it's her body.

It's just sex. Get over your friggin hangups, tell your parents to stfu about what society does or doesn't like and most importantly... mind your own friggin business.

Stop harassing other people for the decisions they make. Instead, how about you go out and start making some decisions for yourselves. That way, when you finally do turn into an adult, you'll have already learned a few lessons on your own, and you won't continue to perpetuate this insane level of ######edness down to your children.

Imagine being able to go to school, and nobody gives a sh*t about how tall you are, what color your skin is, whether or not you've ever had sex (and who it was with)... and instead were just simply interested in whether or not you wanted get a burger for lunch, wanted to go to a movie tonight, were able to understand wtf your teacher was talking about in math class. Doesn't that sound so much simpler? So much more laid back and easier to deal with?

Well, it's not going to happen while having sex with people makes you a "slut" and being a "slut" means you have to kill yourself.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

No, they don't have the "right", actually,

To be clear, it is not illegal to publish such data in the public domain. It is "news" and in no way a "private fact" as it appears to have been previously in the public domain.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The rape or lack thereof is essentially irrelevant. It's the bullying that led her to kill herself. So these kids getting outed for either participating in the bullying or starting it by spreading the pictures eliminates their "innocence".

You don't know the specifics of who was doing the actual bullying or who showed the pics or anything really. Thats why this is dangerous.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Does Canada have capital punishment?

No, and I have absolutely no idea why that is relevant.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

It's just sex. Get over your friggin hangups, tell your parents to stfu about what society does or doesn't like and most importantly... mind your own friggin business.

I wonder what an anthropologist would have to say about this. It strikes me that cultural sexual values are both a product of society, as well, probably as a big contributor to the relative success or failure of cultures for as long as human societies have existed.

I'm not arguing with you, I just genuinely wonder what the relative benefits and costs to society are of sexual mores, and whether they can be discounted or eliminated that easily or cost-free

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The most disturbing thing about this story is that, in this day and age, the word "slut" is still held in such regard that people will kill themselves over the use of it. I don't know all the particulars of the case. I don't know if it was rape or not, but that's not the point that I'm discussing here. I'm talking about this notion that other people should be able to project their own sexual hangups to such a level, that it actually leads someone to take their own life over it.

You know what? I don't give a rat's ass if a chick in high school decides to blow the entire friggin basketball team in their dressing room. Who seriously gives a sh*t? It's her life, it's her mouth, it's her body. I also don't give a rat's ass if some other chick in high school would never in a million years ever dream about even something as simple as wearing an open-collared shirt to school. Who cares? It's her life, it's her clothes, it's her body.

It's just sex. Get over your friggin hangups, tell your parents to stfu about what society does or doesn't like and most importantly... mind your own friggin business.

Stop harassing other people for the decisions they make. Instead, how about you go out and start making some decisions for yourselves. That way, when you finally do turn into an adult, you'll have already learned a few lessons on your own, and you won't continue to perpetuate this insane level of ######edness down to your children.

Imagine being able to go to school, and nobody gives a sh*t about how tall you are, what color your skin is, whether or not you've ever had sex (and who it was with)... and instead were just simply interested in whether or not you wanted get a burger for lunch, wanted to go to a movie tonight, were able to understand wtf your teacher was talking about in math class. Doesn't that sound so much simpler? So much more laid back and easier to deal with?

Well, it's not going to happen while having sex with people makes you a "slut" and being a "slut" means you have to kill yourself.

I agree with what you said. However, reaching that point of not caring what others think about you comes with maturation. It's just a fact of life that teenagers make big deals about those things. I cared about those things when I was a teen and as I got older, you're right, now I have an attitude like who the hell cares what others think.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Regardless, they're guilty of a crime, whether it be rape, harassment, sexual harassment. They'll be convicted of a crime.

Plus with her age, distribution of Child Pornography.

Welcome to the sex offenders list.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Does Canada have capital punishment?

What does this have to do with it?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What does this have to do with it?

I'm assuming he thinks true justice is found in long-term incarceration in a private prison facility where officials leech government money as long as possible until they are forced to inject 2$ worth of chemicals into a man until he expires.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

I didn't skip over anything, I addressed you using 100% false statistics, either because you didn't know the actual ones or as a means to skew the facts in order to support your position.

You said:

"Of the cases that are reported only 7% get a conviction" That is false.

This is where I read the 7% number.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...onviction-rate

Misrepresenting stats does a fine job of poisoning the conversation and preventing meaningful reform.

Okay, my UK study says 7%. Your US study says 16%. That 9% difference is a horrible poison to the conversation? I think either number is attrocious.

And I'm not okay with anything, that you insinuate that is disgraceful. I'm a heavy advocate of movements to change the way that sex crimes are addressed by the police and the courts. What I will not advocate for is a lowering of the threshold upon which we judge guilt or innocence. That is not justice. And again, there are more than 2 options. I'm not sure why you've become fixated on this as a one or the other scenario.

I'm open to hearing other options. I don't think 16% of reported rapes leading to conviction gives any kind of justice to the victims. Nor is vigilante justice true justice since innocents are often hurt. I'd love to hear other options. I just don't see any.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

This is where I read the 7% number.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...onviction-rate





Okay, my UK study says 7%. Your US study says 16%. That 9% difference is a horrible poison to the conversation? I think either number is attrocious.



I'm open to hearing other options. I don't think 16% of reported rapes leading to conviction gives any kind of justice to the victims. Nor is vigilante justice true justice since innocents are often hurt. I'd love to hear other options. I just don't see any.

There are tons of them. Reforms to police investigation procedures, reforms to some evidentiary rules, increased awareness of the issues surrounding the lack of reporting and increased resources for victims are just a few of the many options that exist well outside the level of allowing, and in many cases encouraging, a bunch of supposed heroes from taking justice, or their perverted concept of it, into their own hands.

[Dion]

N.S. premier reveals plan for probe into Rehtaeh Parsons tragedy amid fresh vigilante threats

Heavily criticized for initially refusing to review the case, N.S. Premier Darrell Dexter today revealed that Marilyn More, minister responsible for the Advisory Council on the Status of Women, will coordinate the province’s response to the tragic suicide of the 17-year-old girl.

“Government is prepared to look at everything to ensure that no family has to go through this same tragedy. It is time to look for answers and it is a time that we as parents, government, and society, do all we can to ensure this tragic situation does not repeat itself.”

Parsons’ father, Glen Canning, made similar accusations in a heartbreaking blog post.
“How is it possible for someone to leave a digital trail like that yet the RCMP don’t have evidence of a crime?” he wrote. “What were they looking for if photos and bragging weren’t enough?”

Anonymous says it has the names of all four boys and their locations, but says they will not release the names out of respect for Leah Parsons, who told the media she did not want people to go after the alleged perpetrators.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04...t-vigilantism/

[PsYcNeT]

Well that doesn't sound reactionary at all!

[polak]

This was skipped over earlier but I am truely curious... What would happen if one of these guys turned around and said she raped him?

Both were underage, too drunk to make an informed decision but consented at the time (hypothetically) and both had pictures floated around. Why take one persons word over the other?

[Ducay]

I love knee-jerk inquiries because a story gets blown out of proportion!

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

This was skipped over earlier but I am truely curious... What would happen if one of these guys turned around and said she raped him?

Both were underage, too drunk to make an informed decision but consented at the time (hypothetically) and both had pictures floated around. Why take one persons word over the other?

Likely, witness testimony.