Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but the Boston pick was conditional on signing. Iggy made it clear his heart was in Pitts not Boston. So what are the odds he would have signed.

So shouldn't the Flames be happy he saved them the first rounder? Instead of going along with Feaster and King and going to Boston, only to sign with Pitts in the off season?

Am I totally off here, or does King sound like a bit of a boob when he complains about the player nixing a deal that would have ended up being way worse 3 months from now?

B's GM already confirmed that the pick was not conditional.

[Rikster]

Those who thought the Flames just got it half right when Sutter left are likely the most disappointed and upset with the latest fiasco under Ken Kings watch....

Listening to this interview is it any wonder how people can get confused when talking to either him or Feaster?...

And throw in a little CYA while you're at it...

The good news is that the organization has been so severely embarrassed and has likely lost the respect of the hockey community that the days of Ken King having anything to do with the running of the hockey operations must surely be coming to an end...

A market in a state of disarray, but with so much upside like the Flames would be right up the alley of someone like Brian Burke who could take over as President and GM and rebuild not just the team on the ice but the reputation of the organization as a whole...

Take care

[Ashasx]

The worst part about all of this is how fans can't do anything. It's now obvious to most of us how hopeless the situation is, but apparently our management thinks they are smarter than everyone else.

Two huge embarrassing blunders in one month.

Embarrassing. Frustrating. Infuriating.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

King should have kept his mouth shut. What was so good about the Boston trade anyway? A small Russian forward who doesn't have elite talent. Does anyone think he'll amount to anything? The conditional pick is irrelevant since Iginla wouldn't even go there for a month, doubt he would have signed there. As is the career 7/8 defenceman.

Unless Chiarelli is a liar the pick wasn't conditional.

As for the Russian he certainly has the offensive talents to be successful in the league. Whether or not his overall game or attitude will be enough for him to amount to anything is yet to be seen but he is a whole lot closer and more likely to amount to anything (especially something of value) than the two college kids we got. The fact that he left a KHL team this year to play in AHL at least shows some willingness to make it work in NA.

[GirlySports]

fighting for 8th place = compete
While the rest of the league knows that fighting for division titles = compete.
This is the Flames philosophy and why they are failing.

It shows how much power Iginla has. He gives his 4 teams and then Feaster gets a deal and has to GO BACK AND ASK Iginla "mommy! look what I did? Is it ok?"

And why does everyone not in Calgary laugh at the Flames?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If the Flames had demanded his list in writing so that it was binding, half the folks in here would have been complaining about how our bush league management doesn't know how to properly treat the greatest Flame of all time and after 16 years they should have negotiated in good faith cause Iggy's a swell fella.

I agree with this 100%. We got what we got. I'm just glad the management is kind of figuring it out. The next two years will be interesting for the Flames. I am a partial STHer and I will continue to be.

[flamesaresmokin]

How did management think this team would compete this year? Did anyone under the sun think this team was going to be a playoff team?

Pretty scary that these guys are now in charge of addressing a rebuild and too bad this didn't start a year or two ago like many realistic fans were calling for it.

[Northendzone]

Seems to me that iggy's reputation is expanding faster than the universe......he doesn't ask to be traded often, but when he does, he wants to go to a cup favourite.......

[SuperMatt18]

They should have never needed the trade list in writing.

How about the classiest player in Flames history stands by his word and agrees to waive.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If the Flames had demanded his list in writing so that it was binding, half the folks in here would have been complaining about how our bush league management doesn't know how to properly treat the greatest Flame of all time and after 16 years they should have negotiated in good faith cause Iggy's a swell fella.

Not just that, but there is no way to make Iginla sign such a waiver before the deal is done. Maybe he would have, but I can't see what advantage it would give him. The guy's agent is Meehan for crying out loud. Everything he does is to give the player an advantage.

People act as if they put a piece of paper in front of Iginla, that he has to sign it. Not the case. When and for whom he would wave his NTC was his prerogative.

Also, what SuperMatt18 said above. Iginla's word should have been enough. People should get over the sentimentality and realize that Iginla did us a disservice there by not holding to his word.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They should have never needed the trade list in writing.

How about the classiest player in Flames history stands by his word and agrees to waive.

Feaster is a lawyer. If this is truly a business, this is a really stupid way to run it.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Those who thought the Flames just got it half right when Sutter left are likely the most disappointed and upset with the latest fiasco under Ken Kings watch....

Listening to this interview is it any wonder how people can get confused when talking to either him or Feaster?...

And throw in a little CYA while you're at it...

The good news is that the organization has been so severely embarrassed and has likely lost the respect of the hockey community that the days of Ken King having anything to do with the running of the hockey operations must surely be coming to an end...

A market in a state of disarray, but with so much upside like the Flames would be right up the alley of someone like Brian Burke who could take over as President and GM and rebuild not just the team on the ice but the reputation of the organization as a whole...

Take care

What kind of evidence is there to support this? I really don't get it.

Is it because other fans or friends of yours think so? Because CP says so or HFboards? Has any other significant, important person from another clubs operations group come out and say the flames management is poor and should be embarrassed?

I just don't agree with most of what CP posters think I guess.

I don't think that they have done an amazing job by any means, but do you think someone else could have done better over the last couple years considering what the Sutter era left behind?

Ken King and the owners above him need to be more responsible for the direction of this club.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

What kind of evidence is there to support this? I really don't get it.

Is it because other fans or friends of yours think so? Because CP says so or HFboards? Has any other significant, important person from another clubs operations group come out and say the flames management is poor and should be embarrassed?

I just don't agree with most of what CP posters think I guess.

I don't think that they have done an amazing job by any means, but do you think someone else could have done better over the last couple years considering what the Sutter era left behind?

Ken King and the owners above him need to be more responsible for the direction of this club.

This is the NHL, no one would come out and say something like that publicly, but Freidman's latest column is about as close as it gets to that actually happening. He's a pretty conservative guy when it comes to speculations, and while I think he takes himself a little too seriously, he's right up there in terms of respected hockey reporters.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They should have never needed the trade list in writing.

How about the classiest player in Flames history stands by his word and agrees to waive.

Nothing unclassy using the NTC that was given to him. That's business and that's the way the world works. If my bosses want to ship me to 29 different places and I had control it would make sense to suggest places I may want to go, when the final call had to be made I would want to pick THE place I wanted to be.

Nothing unclassy about that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Feaster is a lawyer. If this is truly a business, this is a really stupid way to run it.

The signed off list makes sense when there is some hostility with the player (Heatley-Ottawa).

When it is the franchise player who King and Edwards have worked closely with over the last 10 years it should not be an issue.

I love how Kipper and Iggy can do no wrong with this tea. Its just like the on ice product the last four years, Iggy and Kipper were never accountable.

Iggy gives his word on four teams.... changes his mind.... Iggys right Feaster should have had it in writing.

Kipper refuses a trade without a NTC....he's just a good family man its his right to give the Flames the ultimatum to retire.

[EVERLAST]

I am NOT shocked that the Calgary Flames are in the position they are in today.

After listening to Ken King deny deny deny I hope people see this team for what it is and stop defending, being delusional and realize finally we have a problem.

I never wanted to admit the direction this team was going after eating , breathing , pooping Flames hockey since day one.

Scorched earth ......Jay doesn't like the word rebuild.....Ken King you poor man you.....Murray Edwards Kool aid doesnt taste very good does it???

Wow...what a mess

Rumors about Flames ownerships mishandling and meddling are no longer rumors.

I still cheer for my hometown but wow is it hard

[moon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

People act as if they put a piece of paper in front of Iginla, that he has to sign it. Not the case. When and for whom he would wave his NTC was his prerogative.

Healy could be a complete liar, although this seems like something odd to lie about, but he made it sound like signing something like that is routine when players are waiving their NTC/NMC.

I would have thought that when he said these are the 4 teams make a deal that would have been good enough as well.

I do (and don't because it makes management look like idiots) hope it was more of a case Feaster saying we have 3 deals we like which one do you like and not Feaster saying we are good with Boston and Iginla saying "Boston, no thanks" as that makes Jarome look bad.

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

What kind of evidence is there to support this? I really don't get it.

Is it because other fans or friends of yours think so? Because CP says so or HFboards? Has any other significant, important person from another clubs operations group come out and say the flames management is poor and should be embarrassed?

I know everybody likes to crap on media and experts as knowing nothing and being idiots but the fact is that all of these guys talk to people in the business or have spent enough time there that they know what the reaction/feeling is in the community. While of course no team has or ever would come out and say anything like that it is hard to argue that the deal does not look bad in the view of teams around the league.

I don't think that they have done an amazing job by any means, but do you think someone else could have done better over the last couple years considering what the Sutter era left behind?

Yes, easily. That is such a BS excuse that gets tiresome.

[nik-]

King turned on Darryl after he was gone by making sniping comments in interviews, so we shouldn't be surprised if he does it to Jarome. I would have thought it would have taken longer than the next day though.

[EVERLAST]

King has always struck me as a guy who HAD/HAS to always be right.....listen to that interview and tell me he is willing to shoulder any blame.

He's pointing fingers in so many directions right now trying to preserve something .....trying to not be associated with a loser ....and its too late.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by moon

Healy could be a complete liar, although this seems like something odd to lie about, but he made it sound like signing something like that is routine when players are waiving their NTC/NMC.

I would have thought that when he said these are the 4 teams make a deal that would have been good enough as well.

I do (and don't because it makes management look like idiots) hope it was more of a case Feaster saying we have 3 deals we like which one do you like and not Feaster saying we are good with Boston and Iginla saying "Boston, no thanks" as that makes Jarome look bad.

I don't think that makes Jarome look bad either, he was given the choice.
A better GM would have made Jarome sign the waiver that he can be traded to 4 teams and send THAT to the league. Then Jarome would just go wherever a deal was made to those 4 teams.

At that point Jarome may not have signed the waiver or reduced it to 1 team, The Penguins which would have made everything more clear.