Who would the Flames buyout on the 1 non-cap buy out

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Both guys are overpaid in a cap world that is reduced $10M in 1 season. Wideman is a bad contract that the flames will regret at some point. Unless he comes in and lights it up then Feaster can get a do over in the summer. Hudler is less likely but he has a long term deal. Stajan, Cammy, Bouw, kipper are all done in the summer of 2014 the flames will need relief next summer as would be better off dumping the questionable contracts with term vs the overpaid guys with a year left

Assuming zero buyouts, the Flames have a cap payroll of 47.9M (capgeek #s) for 2013-14, leaving them with 12.1M cap space and having to fill 9 roster spots.

Buy-out Stajan's contract, the Flames have 14.6M cap space for 2013-14.

Buy-out Stajan + Stempniak, the Flames have 17.1M cap space for 2013-14.


If I'm understanding the "buyout" properly, I just don't see how the Flames are in trouble. There is no scenario I can think of where it would make one tiny bit of sense to buyout either Hudler or Wideman.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Assuming zero buyouts, the Flames have a cap payroll of 47.9M (capgeek #s) for 2013-14, leaving them with 12.1M cap space and having to fill 9 roster spots.

Buy-out Stajan's contract, the Flames have 14.6M cap space for 2013-14.

Buy-out Stajan + Stempniak, the Flames have 17.1M cap space for 2013-14.


If I'm understanding the "buyout" properly, I just don't see how the Flames are in trouble. There is no scenario I can think of where it would make one tiny bit of sense to buyout either Hudler or Wideman.

17.1M for 9 spots works out to 1.9M per player and our best player needs a new contract this summer. If the Flames don't keep Iggy they don't have a ton of space to bring in a new franchise player.

Now the Flames might trade Kipper, or Bouwmeester for picks/prospects but this team needs cap relief in the new world. Wideman is a bad contract plain and simple. He was paid at the height of his market value under the previous CBA. 5 year deal for a 29 year old career #3 Dman with a full NMC is a deal the Flames may want to reconsider sticking with if they can get out of it.

Hudler I will agree is highly unlikely to get a buyout he has a more manigable deal.

[bubbsy]

i'd be downright shocked if any newly signed free-agents were bought out.

The GM would be almost admitting a not-so-smart signing right before going into a lockout.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wideman is a bad contract plain and simple. He was paid at the height of his market value under the previous CBA. 5 year deal for a 29 year old career #3 Dman with a full NMC is a deal the Flames may want to reconsider sticking with if they can get out of it.

At the end of the day, Feaster will never convince the owners to buyout Wideman @ 17.5M (assuming the 67% buyout). You can not pay someone 17.5M for literally nothing at all.

The league knew in the summer that we would see a correction in cap $$... they were willing to cancel a season to get it. Wideman isn't going anywhere, it won't even be a consideration.

That is the last I will say on it.

[Fire in the disco]

I must be one of the very few, but I like Wideman. I think a top 3 of Gio, Wideman, and bouwmeester Looks pretty good!

Guys we don't need include: Comeau, Stajan, Sarich, Jackman, stempniak

[moon]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

At the end of the day, Feaster will never convince the owners to buyout Wideman @ 17.5M (assuming the 67% buyout). You can not pay someone 17.5M for literally nothing at all.

The league knew in the summer that we would see a correction in cap $$... they were willing to cancel a season to get it. Wideman isn't going anywhere, it won't even be a consideration.

That is the last I will say on it.

I agree that there is a 0% chance that Feaster uses the buyout clause on Wideman that is just the guy that I would like to see it used on based on his terrible deal. But no way do the owners eat that much money or does Feaster admit his mistake.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

At the end of the day, Feaster will never convince the owners to buyout Wideman @ 17.5M (assuming the 67% buyout). You can not pay someone 17.5M for literally nothing at all.

The league knew in the summer that we would see a correction in cap $$... they were willing to cancel a season to get it. Wideman isn't going anywhere, it won't even be a consideration.

That is the last I will say on it.

Exactly.

This season (assuming it's on) will essentially be a tryout. If things don't go well, it could mean the end of Iginla, which would alleviate all cap pressure. Kiprusoff may decide to retire instead of playing for $1.5M, and that too would alleviate the pressure.

Stajan seems the most likely at this time, though things can obviously change. Another factor is how far along some of the kids are - if someone is ready to take Stempniak's job (or insert whomever here), he obviously becomes a pretty strong candidate.

Guys like Wideman are not on the list unless they absolutely bomb this season and the team has to re-evaluate everything.

[Vinny01]

Teams will not need to use the buyout this season. If Wideman has a horrible 50 games for the Flames this year I wouldn't be shocked if they used it on the remaining 4 years of his deal this summer.

[Tinordi]

0 percent chance Wideman is bought out, doesn't mean that he shouldn't be the one bought out however.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

0 percent chance Wideman is bought out, doesn't mean that he shouldn't be the one bought out however.

Agreed, Flames would have a really tough time signing future UFAs. If they bought out Wideman. It would look really poor on the Flames

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by moon

But no way do the owners eat that much money or does Feaster admit his mistake.

[_Q_]

I don't think buying out Wideman would look bad on the Flames honestly. I think it would, however, look bad on Feaster. Because of that, there's zero chance he goes.

[Phanuthier]

Not that I'd like to see the Flames do this, but if they were really in a pinch, couldn't they just fire Jiri Hudler, and say his injury during the lockout play in the KHL made him damaged goods before he played a single game. It would save a lot of $$.

Stajan would get bought out for sure. (I wish we could fire him, but c'est la vie.)

The 2nd... not sure.

[Machiavelli]

Could we at least see Wideman play for the Flames before buying him out? Yeesh.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Could we at least see Wideman play for the Flames before buying him out? Yeesh.

Yup... I think Wideman has instantly turned into Bouwmeester and Butler V2 without playing a single game in a Flames jersey. For a well informed hockey community, I'm baffled by the hate directed towards defencemen. I'm starting to think most posters on here don't fully understand how the position works. Here's some advice, go watch a game live, look at what the defencemen do away from the puck with positioning, skating, closing the gap, etc. You'll quickly realize the position isn't about racking up points and destroying opponents in the corner. While that's fun to watch, it doesn't necessarily win you games.

[Vinny01]

For the record I don't hate Wideman I just don't like the possibility that he lives up to his contract. It was an overpay to help in a position where the Flames needed help. Also when he was signed there were plenty of Bouw rumors out there.

For the most part the reaction around Wideman's deal was he was overpaid. The NMC is what I really dislike. It is hard not to say it is a questionable deal. The term is also scary

[moon]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Could we at least see Wideman play for the Flames before buying him out? Yeesh.

It isn't like he is a raw rookie. People have seen him play enough in the league to have a good sense of what he is going to bring.

I see no reason to think he is all of a sudden going to jump in ability after joining the Flames considering how long he has been in the league.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

For the record I don't hate Wideman I just don't like the possibility that he lives up to his contract. It was an overpay to help in a position where the Flames needed help. Also when he was signed there were plenty of Bouw rumors out there.

For the most part the reaction around Wideman's deal was he was overpaid. The NMC is what I really dislike. It is hard not to say it is a questionable deal. The term is also scary

Speaking of which...can he even be bought out at all, since he has a NMC? Or doest he non-cap buy out or whatever neglect this in player contracts?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Speaking of which...can he even be bought out at all, since he has a NMC? Or doest he non-cap buy out or whatever neglect this in player contracts?

I think these Amensty buyouts will be treated much differently as they are used by teams to comply to the new cap. I think all contracts are up for amensty but I could be wrong?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Assuming zero buyouts, the Flames have a cap payroll of 47.9M (capgeek #s) for 2013-14, leaving them with 12.1M cap space and having to fill 9 roster spots.

Buy-out Stajan's contract, the Flames have 14.6M cap space for 2013-14.

Buy-out Stajan + Stempniak, the Flames have 17.1M cap space for 2013-14.


If I'm understanding the "buyout" properly, I just don't see how the Flames are in trouble. There is no scenario I can think of where it would make one tiny bit of sense to buyout either Hudler or Wideman.

The stempniak/sarich/stajan type buyouts don't generate a lot of cap room.

They need to replaced on the roster so buying out Stajan AND Stempniak creates 17.1M for 11 players .... or 12M for 10 players if Iginla discounts to 5.1




What it will come down to is one of Iginla, kipper, Bouwmeester or Cammelleri is not going to fit in a 60M cap..... and there is not cap spaceto sign a top notch player to replace them.