Flames-Centric World Junior Prospect Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

You really got to hand it to Feaster and the scouts in their first draft. Talk about quality over quantity.
Bet it's a record to have 60% of your draft year make the World Jr's and 80% of your draft getting invites!

and THANK YOU Tom!

2011 Entry

13 1 Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
45 2 Markus Granlund F HIFK Jr. (Finland)
57 2 Tyler Wotherspoon D Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
104 4 John Gaudreau F Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]
164 6 Laurent Brossoit G Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]

That's actually 100 percent invited and 80 percent making it, Brossoit being the only one left off his teams roster.

EDIT: I guess you meant just the WJC in that actual draft year. I counted both WJCs after the draft year.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's actually 100 percent invited and 80 percent making it, Brossoit being the only one left off his teams roster.

EDIT: I guess you meant just the WJC in that actual draft year. I counted both WJCs after the draft year.

Oh i just meant in a single year, this year.

I never realized that if Tom didn't do a Eli Lindros we would only have 3 picks in 2011??

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Oh i just meant in a single year, this year.

I never realized that if Tom didn't do a Eli Lindros we would only have 3 picks in 2011??

First WJC after Flames drafted these players:

Baertschi: invited, made it
Wotherspoon: not invited
Granlund: invited, made it
Gaudreau: invited, cut
Brossoit: not invited

Second WJC after Flames drafted these players:

Baertschi: Ineligible
Wotherspoon: invited, made it
Granlund: invited, made it
Gaudreau: invited, made it
Brossoit: invited, cut

You're right. Pretty solid draft so far.

BTW we would have had four picks in that draft if not for the Erixon trade. We also traded a pick to the Rangers in that trade along with Tom.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

You really got to hand it to Feaster and the scouts in their first draft. Talk about quality over quantity.
Bet it's a record to have 60% of your draft year make the World Jr's and 80% of your draft getting invites!

and THANK YOU Tom!

2011 Entry

13 1 Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
45 2 Markus Granlund F HIFK Jr. (Finland)
57 2 Tyler Wotherspoon D Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
104 4 John Gaudreau F Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]
164 6 Laurent Brossoit G Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]

I think credit has to go to John Weisbrid as well. Not minimalizing Feaster's efforst but his mantra is a lot less hands on than the previous GM as he lets his guys have a lot of input in the players that are picked. Weisbrod seems to have a good handle on identifying talent and Feaster is doing what a good manager does which is to have faith in his guys evaluations.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think credit has to go to John Weisbrid as well. Not minimalizing Feaster's efforst but his mantra is a lot less hands on than the previous GM as he lets his guys have a lot of input in the players that are picked. Weisbrod seems to have a good handle on identifying talent and Feaster is doing what a good manager does which is to have faith in his guys evaluations.

I agree, Weisbrod deserves a lot of credit. But he wasn't with the flames at the time of the 2011 draft, he was with Boston.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think credit has to go to John Weisbrid as well. Not minimalizing Feaster's efforst but his mantra is a lot less hands on than the previous GM as he lets his guys have a lot of input in the players that are picked. Weisbrod seems to have a good handle on identifying talent and Feaster is doing what a good manager does which is to have faith in his guys evaluations.

You can't give Weisbrod any credit for the Flames 2011 Draft since he was sitting at Boston's table at the time (he has spoken about how upset the Bruins were they didn't get Gaudreau, but he was secretly happy because he knew he was going to be joining the Flames).

[sureLoss]

Yeah the credit for the 2011 draft should probably all fall on Todd Button.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yeah the credit for the 2011 draft should probably all fall on Todd Button.

Funny how that works when you let the guy do his job and not force him draft Western Canadian grinders year after year.

[handgroen]

what exactly is michel goulet's role with the flames? he's a pro scout but does that mean he does not take part in the draft at all? or does he have some involvement?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by handgroen

what exactly is michel goulet's role with the flames? he's a pro scout but does that mean he does not take part in the draft at all? or does he have some involvement?

Amateur scouts typically take part in the draft.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I agree, Weisbrod deserves a lot of credit. But he wasn't with the flames at the time of the 2011 draft, he was with Boston.

Right but Feaster wasn't the one that took it on himself to make the picks. I guess Button kind of gets shortchanged around here as a lot of these picks were likely his and his guys work and we really don't know how much better some previous drafts could have been had he been able to focus on the best players available rather than the needs Darryl specifically wanted to address.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by handgroen

what exactly is michel goulet's role with the flames? he's a pro scout but does that mean he does not take part in the draft at all? or does he have some involvement?

The term "pro scout" implies that he watches on players in the AHL and NHL. He should be advising on trades and signing UFAs/RFAs.

In contrast Todd Button is head of Amateur Scouting that keeps track of undrafted players and players that have yet to make the jump to professional hockey (e.g. euro leagues, NCAA).

Before the hiring of Weisbrod, Feaster did seem to reference Goulet a lot on moves that he made, so it is possible he was involved in the 2011 draft.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by handgroen

what exactly is michel goulet's role with the flames? he's a pro scout but does that mean he does not take part in the draft at all? or does he have some involvement?

I believe he attends the draft, but in more of an advisory role on potential trades. As a pro scout, he is unlikely to have seen many of the undrafted players in action.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Funny how that works when you let the guy do his job and not force him draft Western Canadian grinders year after year.

perhaps we should let some of these kids play more than 4 games in the NHL before we start touting the genius of Button while needlessly running down Daryl Sutter.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by moon

perhaps we should let some of these kids play more than 4 games in the NHL before we start touting the genius of Button while needlessly running down Daryl Sutter.

Good thing Baertschi has played 5.









I hope I don't need green text

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by moon

perhaps we should let some of these kids play more than 4 games in the NHL before we start touting the genius of Button while needlessly running down Daryl Sutter.

Fine. Thanks for the dose of reality haha.

Still, it's hard sometimes not to get excited about some of these guys. The Flames have a better development system than they've ever had. One of the best developmental AHL coaches in the league, and a team that is more hands on and dedicated to their prospects than ever before.

Only good things can come of that, right?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Fine. Thanks for the dose of reality haha.

Still, it's hard sometimes not to get excited about some of these guys. The Flames have a better development system than they've ever had. One of the best developmental AHL coaches in the league, and a team that is more hands on and dedicated to their prospects than ever before.

Only good things can come of that, right?

It was more the cheap shot at Sutter that annoyed me more than anything about the prospects.

I have said fans like to get excited about their prospects and with your attachment to the AHL I can see why you might be even more excited than most.

Not sure I feel as strongly about the stuff in the AHL as you do but no need to get into that in this thread.

[Alberta_Beef]

the 2011 and 2012 drafts are looking really good so far, but 2010 is looking pretty solid as well. Even more so when you consider there was no 1st or 2nd rounder that year. Also keep in mind I am saying it is solid not spectacular.

- Max Reinhart (64th), looks like he has the potential to be a bottom 6 center with very strong PK ability.
- Joey Leach (73rd), looks like he will not have much of a career.
- John Ramage (103rd), is having his best year of college so far and project to be a 3rd pairing defenseman with strong leadership attributes.
- Bill Arnold (108th), is have a great season so far and looks like he could be a strong bottom 6 forward.
- Michael Ferland (133rd), has taken a step back this season but was looking like a steal prior to that.
- Patrick Holland (193rd), traded but had an exceptional final year in the WHL and is having a decent rookie season in the AHL.

When 2010 is looking like our worst drafting season in the past 3 that is a pretty good sign when 3 players drafted in rounds 3 & 4 projects to be NHLers and your 5th and 7th round picks still aren't after thoughts.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Fine. Thanks for the dose of reality haha.

Still, it's hard sometimes not to get excited about some of these guys. The Flames have a better development system than they've ever had. One of the best developmental AHL coaches in the league, and a team that is more hands on and dedicated to their prospects than ever before.

Only good things can come of that, right?

I'm pretty excited about the direction of the drafting, but I'm still not sold on Troy Ward being a good development coach.

He might be a good coach period, but there hasn't really been any evidence that he's developed any of the prospects any better than whoever else they had there before.

Some players kind of took a step back last year from Playfair to Ward. Guys like Breen, Bancks, Nemicsz, and even Wahl. All 4 of these guys appeared to be developing well under Playfair but all 4 struggled in their first year with Ward.

Of the guys on the Heat who are playing well, how many are doing so because of Ward? Baertschi would succeed with any coach, Horak developed in Calgary last year, Brodie is probably the only one who had some development time under Ward. The rest of the guys on the Heat are just vets and journeyman. Reinhart's progress is only average and at this point, i'm kind of worried that he's only going to develop as a 3rd or 4th line defensive centre, rather than a potential 2nd line two way centre.

Honestly, I'd like to see Ward loosen the chains a bit and focus less on structure and defensive systems and more of skills development and pushing the boundaries of the player's talent.

Granted it's only been a year and a half so I reserve the right to take back what i say here ;p

[Trailer Fire]

Breen has stepped up this year. I don't know what Breen you have been watching. He has been pretty lackluster the past few yeas. This year he is actually using his size to his advantage.