And you showing me a video of 7 dogs attacking one baby impala or whatever does?
Good logic.
Actually it does, since it's showing a pretty comparable situation. If you were arguing that 4-5 trained zookeepers could scare off the pack of dogs then maybe your video stacks up, but that's not the hypo you created. Even then, when the zookeepers were able to enter here they still had a lot of trouble scaring off the animals, and that was with equipment. The idea that 4 guys could have leapt in and saved the day is pretty far fetched.
And you showing me a video of 7 dogs attacking one baby impala or whatever does?
Good logic.
Yeah, 7 vicious killing machines killing an animal has more meaning in the topic of unexperienced men jumping in a fenced pit of said animals than experienced men chasing lions off in a wide open field.
Anyways I'm walking away from this one. If you manage to round up 5 men , jump in a 10 foot deep pit, chase off 11 wolves, save a baby and come out alive, let me know and I'll personally kiss your ass
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Has anyone been to a zoo lately? It's pretty much 90% moms with strollers. It would take you half an hour just to find 6 men, never mind 6 men willing to drop down to take on Fido.
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Look at the pictures. The railing is no more then a meter high at some point and these ARE NOT wolves. They're smaller then a labrador.
Like I said, you're not in a battle royale here. You get the kid and you get out or at least try and get away. You only need to survive long enough for others to come in and help.
LOL said by a person that obviously doesn't have kids. What a terrible post from an person oblivious to the responsibilities of raising a child. As a parent you never, ever take risks and put your kids in possible harm. EVER!!!! It's your responsibility to keep your childeren out of harm. You don't let them cross the road without holding their hands, you don't even drive two blocks without them in their child seat, you don't let them leave your eye in busy places, you don't leave them with strangers, and you sure as hell don't put them up on railings when killer dogs are on the other side.
I am not perfect but I have common sense and am fit to be a parent. Sometimes kids just do things that get themselves in trouble that are out of your control but not this particular incident. It's ideals like yours that is the problem with society. Bleeding hearts that believe that the perpetrator is somehow a victim. This woman that you are so quick to paint as a victim has proven she's not fit to be a parent and unfortunately her son paid the ultimate price.
Your explanation on parenting sounds like you read a book on the subject...not lived it!
BTW, I have 2 great kids and now I'm a grandparent.
Has anyone been to a zoo lately? It's pretty much 90% moms with strollers. It would take you half an hour just to find 6 men, never mind 6 men willing to drop down to take on Fido.
Oh crap. It just occurred to me that as dad who spends a lot of time at the zoo, it's going to be on me to jump in and save a kid if their mom drops them in an enclosure. Now I feel like a grizzly death being mauled by red pandas awaits me.
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Oh crap. It just occurred to me that as dad who spends a lot of time at the zoo, it's going to be on me to jump in and save a kid if their mom drops them in an enclosure. Now I feel like a grizzly death being mauled by red pandas awaits me.
A video that would place in the top 5 scariest videos of the year on You Tube, and the top 5 cutest.
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LOL said by a person that obviously doesn't have kids. What a terrible post from an person oblivious to the responsibilities of raising a child. As a parent you never, ever take risks and put your kids in possible harm. EVER!!!! It's your responsibility to keep your childeren out of harm. You don't let them cross the road without holding their hands, you don't even drive two blocks without them in their child seat, you don't let them leave your eye in busy places, you don't leave them with strangers, and you sure as hell don't put them up on railings when killer dogs are on the other side.
I am not perfect but I have common sense and am fit to be a parent. Sometimes kids just do things that get themselves in trouble that are out of your control but not this particular incident. It's ideals like yours that is the problem with society. Bleeding hearts that believe that the perpetrator is somehow a victim. This woman that you are so quick to paint as a victim has proven she's not fit to be a parent and unfortunately her son paid the ultimate price.
I agree with the part about the railings. That said, how many kids do you have?
Again, these are not domestic dogs. Watch the video above. A reasonable sized man can't hold off a police dog for more than a few moments, let alone 11 of them.
One of my foster kids kicked the crap out of a VPD dog a few years ago, got a hellacious beating from the handler for it when he got to the kid, dogs are predictable and prey driven, therefore if you don't turn away from them and run you have a decent chance. It tends to come down to the mass of you versus the mass of the dog.
I'm kind of with Polak on this one. My first impression was, how could nobody jump in?
In all likelihood there wasn't a hoard of men leaning on the railing when this transpired, and even if there were patrons close to the exhibit when this happened the speed of which these dogs attacked probably killed the boy in a matter of seconds.
But I'd like to think that if I saw a 2 year old fall into a hyena pit I'd be right over the railing after. Maybe I'd get mauled to death in seconds as well but I couldn't imagine living with myself if I watched a young child gets ripped to shreds a short distance below. But I also agree no one should feel any shame for not jumping in to their possible death.
Then again, I was somebody who thought they could beat up 20+ five-year-olds in that thread a few years back. When push comes to shove I don't really know how I'd react.
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I'm kind of with Polak on this one. My first impression was, how could nobody jump in?
In all likelihood there wasn't a hoard of men leaning on the railing when this transpired, and even if there were patrons close to the exhibit when this happened the speed of which these dogs attacked probably killed the boy in a matter of seconds.
But I'd like to think that if I saw a 2 year old fall into a hyena pit I'd be right over the railing after. Maybe I'd get mauled to death in seconds as well but I couldn't imagine living with myself if I watched a young child gets ripped to shreds a short distance below. But I also agree no one should feel any shame for not jumping in to their possible death.
Then again, I was somebody who thought they could beat up 20+ five-year-olds in that thread a few years back. When push comes to shove I don't really know how I'd react.
There are things I have done to help people and children that may have not been smart or safe to try and protect them. Jumping in front of and stopping traffic, stopping a fight between people I never met.
But jumping into a wild dog pit, I don't see that coming naturally, to me or others.
There are things I have done to help people and children that may have not been smart or safe to try and protect them. Jumping in front of and stopping traffic, stopping a fight between people I never met.
But jumping into a wild dog pit, I don't see that coming naturally, to me or others.
After watching that youtube video, it's harder to think it'd be a logical choice.
I'm thinking more reactionary. And yes, your survival would depend on how many people are around and would jump in after you, if any. I don't think Polak or myself are arguing it's the natural thing to do. We've just been inundated with tales or heroism from the average man in local news segments and random internet articles. It seems weird when the story ends with the big bad wolf winning.
If everybody put self-preservation over human life we wouldn't get crazy hero stories. Again, nobody should feel less for failing to act that way, and it's quite likely we're deluding ourselves into thinking fight would override flight in a situation like this.
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Your explanation on parenting sounds like you read a book on the subject...not lived it!
BTW, I have 2 great kids and now I'm a grandparent.
I was thinking the same thing. As a guy who's a single dad of 2 every second week, stuff happens. You try your best ,but I can think of 2 or 3 occasions over the years where I wasnt paying close enough attention to something that almost had tragic results, but thankfully turned out fine.
As for the mother jumping in after, my mother tells a story of when I was 1, she let me crawl on a dock at a lake (thanks mom!) and I fell off the side. She says she completely froze and someone else saw and jumped in after me. I also was at a pool once when a 4 year old boy got in over his head, and the mom just stayed at the edge screaming, so my 6 year old boy calmly went and pulled him out thinking it was no big deal. Everyone reacts differently I guess.
I still can't quite figure out the physics of the story. How does a woman who is likely not much more than five feet get their kid perched up on a five foot fence,let alone standing up. Doesn't sound right.
I'm kind of with Polak on this one. My first impression was, how could nobody jump in?
In all likelihood there wasn't a hoard of men leaning on the railing when this transpired, and even if there were patrons close to the exhibit when this happened the speed of which these dogs attacked probably killed the boy in a matter of seconds.
But I'd like to think that if I saw a 2 year old fall into a hyena pit I'd be right over the railing after. Maybe I'd get mauled to death in seconds as well but I couldn't imagine living with myself if I watched a young child gets ripped to shreds a short distance below. But I also agree no one should feel any shame for not jumping in to their possible death.
Then again, I was somebody who thought they could beat up 20+ five-year-olds in that thread a few years back. When push comes to shove I don't really know how I'd react.
I don't know if the bystander effect applies here. There is a distinct difference between that and using your better judgement to not possibly jump to your own death to try to maybe save somebody who is already dead themselves.
Can you imagine jumping in to save somebody, and just managing to knock yourself out instead when you land? After would-be rescuer #5 needs rescuing it starts to lose its purpose.
Of course you could also argue is it even worth risking an adult life, possibly the breadwinner of a family, to save a 2 or 3 year old?
This reminds me of the lady a few years back at the Edmonton airport who was on the second level with her toddler. She put held her kid up to look down at the people on the first level, he arched his back as kids always do and over he went. Dead in seconds. As a parent you immediately picture that being you and your child. That's why I have nothing but pity and sympathy for the lady at the zoo.
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