Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-17-2012, 04:06 AM   #121
Alberta_Beef
Franchise Player
 
Alberta_Beef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesFanStrandedInEDM View Post
It is the same in that it was a person in a position of authority...regardless of the age. A teacher is not permitted to have an intimate relationship with a student.

I'm a young teacher myself, and I would NEVER teach again if I got mixed up with a 20 year old student.

When it is an educator in question, "consent" doesn't matter at all.
That IMO should be between the teacher/union and institute. It should not be a legal matter. That is a prime example of wasted tax dollars on frivolous charge. If the educational institute wants to remove an educator from their position for that, that is there prerogative, but it should not be a legal issue if it is between 2 (or more in this case) consenting adults. Losing a career over it is enough of a punishment, it certainly does not deserve 20 years in prison.

If a student is old enough to go to war and die for their country, they are old enough to decide who they have sex with.

Last edited by Alberta_Beef; 08-17-2012 at 04:23 AM.
Alberta_Beef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 04:19 AM   #122
Itse
Franchise Player
 
Itse's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesFanStrandedInEDM View Post
It is the same in that it was a person in a position of authority...regardless of the age. A teacher is not permitted to have an intimate relationship with a student.

I'm a young teacher myself, and I would NEVER teach again if I got mixed up with a 20 year old student.

When it is an educator in question, "consent" doesn't matter at all.
So what you're saying is that there's no difference between
a) having improper relationships and behaving unprofessionally and
b) committing multiple statutory rapes?

Don't be ridiculous. It's like saying there's no difference between slapping and stabbing.


Itse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 08:26 AM   #123
Rerun
Often Thinks About Pickles
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
Exp:
Default

So all those University/College profs having sex with their students could be facing 20 years in prison? Same thing right?
Rerun is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rerun For This Useful Post:
Old 08-17-2012, 08:46 AM   #124
Rathji
Franchise Player
 
Rathji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
Exp:
Default

I am not clear on the laws here but isn't there at minimum sexual harassment type charges that would be more appropriate here?

ie boss seduces secretary with threat of job loss type stuff?
__________________
"Wake up, Luigi! The only time plumbers sleep on the job is when we're working by the hour."
Rathji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 08:47 AM   #125
oilyfan
Powerplay Quarterback
 
oilyfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SE Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun View Post
So all those University/College profs having sex with their students could be facing 20 years in prison? Same thing right?
College students are adults that are above the age of consent.
oilyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 08:51 AM   #126
Rerun
Often Thinks About Pickles
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oilyfan View Post
College students are adults that are above the age of consent.
So were these high school students. They were all 18 and older.
Rerun is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rerun For This Useful Post:
Old 08-17-2012, 09:02 AM   #127
JohnnyB
Franchise Player
 
JohnnyB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesFanStrandedInEDM View Post
It is the same in that it was a person in a position of authority...regardless of the age. A teacher is not permitted to have an intimate relationship with a student.

I'm a young teacher myself, and I would NEVER teach again if I got mixed up with a 20 year old student.

When it is an educator in question, "consent" doesn't matter at all.
I agree for a K-12 environment. Even if the student is of age the context of K-12 is one of teachers both having authority over students and having pastoral responsibility for them. After K-12 there are many teaching contexts in which authority and pastoral responsibility don't hold. In those cases there is nothing necessarily unethical about student-teacher relationships.
__________________

"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?"
JohnnyB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 09:31 AM   #128
MelBridgeman
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kunkstyle View Post
Boy did I go to the wrong school.
did you?



would not bang
MelBridgeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 09:48 AM   #129
Rerun
Often Thinks About Pickles
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB View Post
I agree for a K-12 environment. Even if the student is of age the context of K-12 is one of teachers both having authority over students and having pastoral responsibility for them. After K-12 there are many teaching contexts in which authority and pastoral responsibility don't hold. In those cases there is nothing necessarily unethical about student-teacher relationships.
Brittni was 25 or 26 at the time this occurred and the students were all 18 and older (one for sure was 19). I doubt there was much of a "pastoral" relationship.
Rerun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 09:51 AM   #130
Lobotroth
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Lobotroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Otnorot
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MelBridgeman View Post
did you?



would not bang
The faint mustache is sexy.
Lobotroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 10:01 AM   #131
Rerun
Often Thinks About Pickles
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
Exp:
Default Student who got oral sex from Texas teacher says he was ‘happy’ in her home

I love happy endings!!!

Quote:
On the third day of an explosive Texas student-teacher sex trial, a former high-school student said the oral sex he got from Brittni Colleps made him “happy” to be at her family’s home.
Colleps is accused of having group sex with four students while a fifth videotaped the scene.
“Richard,” a pseudonym, testified that he doesn’t think of himself as a victim of the 28-year-old mother of three and wife of 11 years. The young man said he and three friends went to the teacher’s home where, while having sex with other students, she performed oral sex on him twice, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz23otLquCp
Rerun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 10:11 AM   #132
Locke
Franchise Player
 
Locke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MelBridgeman View Post
did you?



would not bang
I think shes got a little bit of Herpes on her....
__________________
The Beatings Shall Continue Until Morale Improves!

This Post Has Been Distilled for the Eradication of Seemingly Incurable Sadness.

The World Ends when you're dead. Until then, you've got more punishment in store. - Flames Fans

If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
Locke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 10:26 AM   #133
JohnnyB
Franchise Player
 
JohnnyB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun View Post
Brittni was 25 or 26 at the time this occurred and the students were all 18 and older (one for sure was 19). I doubt there was much of a "pastoral" relationship.
Well, certainly not a very good one.
If you're suggesting that the relationships that exist between teacher and student in K-12 are fundamentally altered when a student reaches 18 years old then I think you are mistaken. The nature of those relationships is deeply ingrained in K-12 context and doesn't change with a birthday.
__________________

"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?"
JohnnyB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 10:29 AM   #134
Bertuzzied
Lifetime Suspension
 
Bertuzzied's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke View Post
I think shes got a little bit of Herpes on her....
No. thats why you get them when they are young. Good planning Britknee!
Bertuzzied is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 10:31 AM   #135
Rerun
Often Thinks About Pickles
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB View Post
Well, certainly not a very good one.
If you're suggesting that the relationships that exist between teacher and student in K-12 are fundamentally altered when a student reaches 18 years old then I think you are mistaken. The nature of those relationships is deeply ingrained in K-12 context and doesn't change with a birthday.
You are assuming that there was a pre-existing relationship between the teacher and the students before they turned 18. I doubt that. I would think that there was no relationship whatsoever before they took her English class in grade 12 and she may have had sex with students who were not her students at all. Does a teacher-student relationship exist if the person is a teacher but you are not her student?
Rerun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:00 PM   #136
JohnnyB
Franchise Player
 
JohnnyB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun View Post
You are assuming that there was a pre-existing relationship between the teacher and the students before they turned 18. I doubt that. I would think that there was no relationship whatsoever before they took her English class in grade 12 and she may have had sex with students who were not her students at all. Does a teacher-student relationship exist if the person is a teacher but you are not her student?
If they're in the same school, yes. Of course. It's not quite the same as if she was the class teacher for that student, but the nature of the relationships exists as a consequence of shared context. The context of K-12 schooling has a powerful influence over the nature of all relationships within it. It is a bit like it's own little world.

Edit: Also, the fact that it made a student happy doesn't mean that it was OK. In doing what she did she has likely done a great deal of damage to the school and the foundations of trust upon which schools depend. Teachers are in difficult positions and depends upon relationships of a certain nature in order to be effective. I would think she has done serious damage to the school and to her colleagues.
__________________

"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?"

Last edited by JohnnyB; 08-17-2012 at 12:05 PM.
JohnnyB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:46 PM   #137
North East Goon
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Exp:
Default

Going through that top 50 list I noticed some of the women were charged with sodomy on the teenage boys. She gets back door'd and charged for this. The old double punishment.
North East Goon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #138
Bill Bumface
My face is a bum!
 
Bill Bumface's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Exp:
Default

Being a teacher seems pretty awesome.
Bill Bumface is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #139
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

I know that some of you like to argue about the morals of this story and what's right and what's wrong but you are missing the most important story about this whole story. The real headline is how two faced women can be. The boys should be suing her for misrepresentation as they may have thought they had themselves an attractive female to enact their sexual dreams when in fact they were having sex with Golemn.

FROM THIS:



TO THIS:



Sorry but to put a mask on your face and pretend you are something you are not is just wrong.
Erick Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:55 PM   #140
getbak
Franchise Player
 
getbak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by North East Goon View Post
Going through that top 50 list I noticed some of the women were charged with sodomy on the teenage boys. She gets back door'd and charged for this. The old double punishment.
In some States, oral sex was considered sodomy as well. In 2003, the US Supreme Court struck down all state laws against sodomy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_..._United_States
__________________
Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
getbak is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:20 AM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy