U.S. again bombs mourners

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by WesternCanadaKing

It's attitudes like those of Rerun that put us in this mess in the first place. They are strengthening the resolve and terrorists and creating martyrs.

No... its the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan that put us in this mess. Remember 9/11? Or have you convienently forgotten?

Sure.. stick your head in the sand and pretend its all our fault. Pretend that these guys are the good guys and we're the evil war-mongers and its our fault that Al-Qaeda terrorists exist in the first place. << shakes head>>

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Rerun

No... its the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan that put us in this mess. Remember 9/11? Or have you convienently forgotten?

Sure.. stick your head in the sand and pretend its all our fault. Pretend that these guys are the good guys and we're the evil war-mongers and its our fault that Al-Qaeda terrorists exist in the first place. << shakes head>>

I forget when we Canadian lump our selves as Americans by calling 911 ours.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

I forget when we Canadian lump our selves as Americans by calling 911 ours.

These people's families disagree with you...

Michael Arczynski, 45, senior vice-president of Aon Corp.'s Manhattan office; Garnet Bailey, 53-year-old director of pro scouting for the National Hockey League's Los Angeles Kings; David Barkway, 34, executive with BMO Nesbitt Burns; Ken Basnicki, 48, was in the north tower attending a conference; Jane Beatty, 53, technical supervisor at Marsh and McLennan Cos. Inc.; Joseph Collison, 60, worked for Kidder, Peabody & Co.; Cynthia Connolly, 40, Aon Corp.; Arron Dack, 39, senior executive with Encompys; Frank Joseph Doyle, 39-year-old executive vice-president of Keefe, Bruyette and Woods was working on the 89th floor of the second tower; Christine Egan, 55, Health Canada nurse epidemiologist was visiting her brother's (Michael Egan, 51) office in the second tower of the World Trade Center; Albert Elmarry, 30, worked in computer support for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of one of the towers; Meredith Ewart and Peter Feidelberg both had offices on the 104th floor of the World Trade Center's south tower, where they worked at Aon Corp; Alexander Filipov, 70, was on American Airlines Flight 11 when it hit the World Trade Center, Ralph Gerhardt, 34, vice-president with Cantor Fitzgerald; Stuart Lee, vice-pres-ident of integrated services for DataSynapse; Mark Ludvigsen, 32, worked as a bond broker at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods; Bernard Mascarenhas, 54, worked for Marsh Canada in NYC; Colin McArthur, 52, deputy managing director at Aon Corp.; Michael Pelletier, 36, commodities broker for TradeSpark; Donald Robson, 52, was a partner and bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald; Ruffino Santos, 37, worked for Guy Carpenter as a computer consultant; Vladimir Tomasevic, 36, was vice-president of software development for Optus E-Business Solutions; Chantal Vincelli, 38, marketing assistant at DataSynapse Inc.; Debbie Williams, 35, worked for international insurance company Aon Corp.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by Rerun

No... its the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan that put us in this mess. Remember 9/11? Or have you convienently forgotten?

Sure.. stick your head in the sand and pretend its all our fault. Pretend that these guys are the good guys and we're the evil war-mongers and its our fault that Al-Qaeda terrorists exist in the first place. << shakes head>>

You are in serious denial, if you don't think that decades of US foreign policy in the Middle East didn't directly lead to 9/11.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

You are in serious denial, if you don't think that decades of US foreign policy in the Middle East didn't directly lead to 9/11.

Don't you mean decades of US support for Isreal directly lead to 9/11?

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Don't you mean decades of US support for Isreal directly lead to 9/11?

Look up the Mujahideen and the Afghan Civil war. Look at the US's history with both Iran and Iraq and the CIA, and then there's the whole Israel thing.

[Montana Moe]

Bin Laden himself said that one of the biggest issues was American forces in Saudi Arabia, not Israel, not their support of the Mujaheddin, etc.

The problem with these bombs is that the 8 year old kid that is killed in a drone attack gives reason for his 8 year old friend to walk in to a crowded coffee shop with explosives strapped to himself 10 years from now.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Bin Laden himself said that one of the biggest issues was American forces in Saudi Arabia, not Israel, not their support of the Mujaheddin, etc.

The problem with these bombs is that the 8 year old kid that is killed in a drone attack gives reason for his 8 year old friend to walk in to a crowded coffee shop with explosives strapped to himself 10 years from now.

You sound like he was suppose to be important or something, he was just a radical religious nutbar just as the kid 10 years from now will be looking for his 72 virgins while committing suicide and murder.

BTW, Bin Laden thought up the attacks on the twin towers back in 1982(long before Americans were in Saudi)..he was inspired when he saw Israel destroy a couple of small towers in Lebanon.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by WesternCanadaKing

It's attitudes like those of Rerun that put us in this mess in the first place. They are strengthening the resolve and terrorists and creating martyrs.

You can blame U.S foreign policy all that you want, and its certainly true that they've done their share of destructive fumbling in the Middle East.

But there is a lot of weight given to the U.S. supporting Israel in there, which to be honest was and is the proper policy decision in the Middle East.

And with or without American foreign Policy these terrorist groups would have existed anyways. Don't forget that the Taliban and Al Qaeda owe more to the Soviet Union for their rise in power and in wealth then the Americans.

These people are radical terrorists flooded by hatred, and its not as much hatred of America or Russia or France or whatever, its more along the lines that they hate what they perceive as a threat to what they perceive as the perfect political/religioous system that they want to impose in the middle east.

And really don't forget that terrorist groups are the ultimate political groups driven by a ruthless ideology, even if the U.S. didn't have a middle eastern foreign policy issue in the middle east, eventually there would have been an attack in the U.S. as its perceived as a direct threat to the terrorist aims. It might have been more subtle but it would have been there.

And the whole Bin Laden was angry because the American's were in the holy of Saudi Arabia. The American were invited there by the government in place. Bin Laden offered to supply his own army to combat Hussien and was basically laughed out of the building.

So the question is looking back. When Kuwait was swallowed up, and the Saudi's screamed at the American's for help against Iraq, were the American's suppossed to turn their backs on SA. And if they did, don't you think that the Muslim radical groups would have pointed out that it was more proof that the American's were a Israeli lacky who hated Muslims?

How is America suppossed to win, if they do the right thing and isolate it they look brutish and uncaring to the Muslim world, if they intervene then some of the billion radical groups lose their nut, if they don't the other groups lose their own nut.