Ridley Scott's Prometheus

[troutman]

Originally Posted by blankall

88% on rotten tomatoes so far with 2 bad reviews out of 17.

Sounds like it's not Shakespeare, but a great action/horror movie:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/

Edit: Just watched Alien Director's Cut last night. That movie didn't have an amazing plot or dialogue either but worked well. Still very excited for Prometheus. Especially as everything after Aliens was upper crap.

3/5 positive reviews from Top Critics:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prom...pe=top_critics

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How could that be possible when the AVP films were preposterously bad? By all accounts so far in the reviews Prometheus is a good film maybe not a great film. What he's saying is that he's not a very good movie critic.

What I'm saying is that is I thought Prometheus was a bad movie. Like AvP bad but less entertaining.

Different kind of bad though. I can take dumb action much better than just plain dumb.

Maybe you should see the movie before deciding how good or bad it is?

EDIT: Also, AvP 1 was not that bad. It was an okay action flick with a kind of a cool idea. AvP 2 was really bad.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Itse

What I'm saying is that is I thought Prometheus was a bad movie. Like AvP bad but less entertaining.

Different kind of bad though. I can take dumb action much better than just plain dumb.

Maybe you should see the movie before deciding how good or bad it is?

Of course I will see it and call a spade a spade as I always do. I just have a really hard time believing that this movie will be nearly as bad as AvP as I don't believe Scott is that incompetent of a director.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Of course I will see it and call a spade a spade as I always do. I just have a really hard time believing that this movie will be nearly as bad as AvP as I don't believe Scott is that incompetent of a director.

Have you seen Legend?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_%28film%29

[Daradon]

You didn't like Legend?

[Itse]

I think Ridley Scott is actually a very good director. The film is still bad.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by troutman

Have you seen Legend?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_%28film%29

Gosh that was a long time ago and I don't recall if I liked it or not but the bottom line is that Alien and Blade Runner are arguably the two greatest sci-fi films of all time so as far as I'm concerned, I'll be the ultimate judge of Prometheus.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Itse

Umm... I don't get it. To me your point sounds something like this:

"I just listened to the Ramones first album and all the songs are really simple and the lyrics don't make much sense. So if the next Blink 182 album rocks I'll be happy."

I fail to see the relevance.

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This is all a bit silly since I haven't actually seen the movie yet, but...

Well my criticism was more like: Ramones put together reunion album. Original Ramones fans like it, but opera fans hate it.

My point was that critics that are criticizing the movie for lack of plot/dialogue clearly aren't fans of the original Alien movie, which features almost no dialogue or plot, and I'm going to ignore them.

That being said, the overall critique of Prometheus is sliding, as it seems more negative reviews are coming in. A lot of the more recent criticism is aimed at the movie trying to be too philisophical. That I'd consider more valid criticism.

[Daradon]

I was so pumped for this movie. I hope I'm not disappointed. I really probably only go see one film a year in the theatres.

[SuperMatt18]

Reading the top critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes does not give me much faith in it.

What I have seemed to pull from reading the reviews is "Not nearly as good as alien, the plot is lacking, the characters are not great, but the visual effects are the best we've seen since avatar so that is worth it."

[Wormius]

I will have to go back and read original reviews for Alien and Aliens. I don't think either were regarded as much more than just cool action flicks, though Alien being more on the horror side of the spectrum.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by blankall

My point was that critics that are criticizing the movie for lack of plot/dialogue clearly aren't fans of the original Alien movie, which features almost no dialogue or plot, and I'm going to ignore them.

From my experience I would actually claim the opposite. This is because Prometheus is not even remotely similar to Alien.

Take this one critic for example. It's pretty close to what I thought about it.

(Note: Includes some small spoilers.)
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/03/m...#disqus_thread

Here's the same guy commenting on Alien, for reference:
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/04/o...trailer-alien/

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I will have to go back and read original reviews for Alien and Aliens. I don't think either were regarded as much more than just cool action flicks, though Alien being more on the horror side of the spectrum.

Alien was, Aliens wasn't. I guess what I mean was:

Alien - Sci-fi horror
Aliens - Sci-fi action

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I will have to go back and read original reviews for Alien and Aliens. I don't think either were regarded as much more than just cool action flicks, though Alien being more on the horror side of the spectrum.

From the wikipedia entry on Aliens:

The film had no official premier in the United States, yet moviegoers lined up for blocks to see it at Grauman's Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood where a number of models, sets, and props were displayed outside to promote it during its first run.[58][65] Religious zealots set fire to the model of the space jockey, believing it to be the work of the devil.[58] Alien did have a formal premiere in the United Kingdom at the Odeon Leicester Square on September 6, 1979, but it did not open widely in Britain until January 13, 1980.[58]
Critical reaction to the film was initially mixed. Some critics who were not usually favorable towards science fiction, such as Barry Norman of the BBC's Film series, were positive about the film's merits.[58] Others, however, were not: Reviews by Variety, Sight and Sound, Vincent Canby and Leonard Maltin were mixed or negative.[73] A review by Time Out said the film was an "empty bag of tricks whose production values and expensive trickery cannot disguise imaginative poverty"

[Wormius]

I find myself agreeing with a lot of Roger Ebert's movie reviews - or more to the point, I generally enjoy the movies that he has given good reviews to. He seems to have given a fairly good one to Prometheus, so I think for me I will like it.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/120609989

Prometheus

BY ROGER EBERT / June 6, 2012

Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" is a magnificent science-fiction film, all the more intriguing because it raises questions about the origin of human life and doesn't have the answers. It's in the classic tradition of golden age sci-fi, echoing Scott's "Alien" (1979), but creating a world of its own. I'm a pushover for material like this; it's a seamless blend of story, special effects and pitch-perfect casting, filmed in sane, effective 3-D that doesn't distract.

.....

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think Ridley Scott is actually a very good director. The film is still bad.

From what I read, the movie studio screwed us all (again)

Scott wanted to make the film based on Jon Spaihts screenplay and wanted the film to be 18+ only. Of course studios watered the movie down, brought in Lindelof and the result is not what Scott originally planned.

[Daradon]

^^^ if true, not surprising

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I find myself agreeing with a lot of Roger Ebert's movie reviews - or more to the point, I generally enjoy the movies that he has given good reviews to. He seems to have given a fairly good one to Prometheus, so I think for me I will like it.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/120609989

How can this be? I heard from a random dude on the internet that it's a bad movie.

[troutman]

Ebert is the gold standard for me.

Here is his review of 2001, the true greatest SF movie ever, and maybe the best move period. It is also a movie about "the origin of human life and doesn't have the answers" and the nature of intelligence.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...401010362/1023

[Tinordi]

Yeah if Ebert likes it them it's mostly likely good.