Alberta bans smoking in cars with minors present.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

It is a sad, sad day for liberty.

I can't believe how happy some people are to being controlled like this.

Makes me sick to my stomach. How much further will we tolerate this? I shudder to think how involuntarily controlled and regimented our lives will be in 20 years time.

Do you think kids should be subjected to second hand smoke?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

Do you think kids should be subjected to second hand smoke?

Do you think the government should legislate even the smallest thing you do?

[Hilch]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

I'm really curious, for all those strongly in support of this law; how many of you think that someone who currently smokes in their car with their child present, will suddenly stop because they heard it is illegal?

Probably around the same percentage that started wearing seatbelts when that law came into play. I don't think the government is dumb enough to think this law will change everyones mind over night. But just like the seat belt law it is about setting a culture going forward.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Do you think the government should legislate even the smallest thing you do?

Spoken like a true politician. Avoid answering the question by throwing another one out there

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

Spoken like a true politician. Avoid answering the question by throwing another one out there

I don't think that it is a question the government has any right answering.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by jammies

You must be that guy outside my window at 3 AM on a weeknight with his bass turned up so loud in his car that I can feel my internal organs rearranging themselves.

Your rights to play loud music/smoke/be a complete jerkface ends where it impinges on my rights. It's not the government's fault that the world is full of idiots who must be legislated out of their stupidity.

You have a very broad idea of what your "rights" are. Too broad if you ask me.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

Spoken like a true politician. Avoid answering the question by throwing another one out there

You didn't answer my question, either.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

You didn't answer my question, either.

Are you trying to be a jerk or something? Or is this how you always respond to peoples questions?

[Kipperriffic]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Do you think the government should legislate even the smallest thing you do?

I fail to see how this legislation = bad day for liberty

In fact, because of it, someone might get caught smoking in the car with a kid and finally realize, after giving up $1000, that it was he taking the liberties away from a kid.
So, it is a good a day for liberty

When you say "small", do you mean that the # of people who smoke in the car with kids is small? That may be true, I don't know any statistics, but why not reduce a problem, rather than letting it go by unnoticed because its "small".

People listen when it hurts the in the wallet.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

Are you trying to be a jerk or something? Or is this how you always respond to peoples questions?

You called me a politician. AND did pretty well what you accused me of doing.

Sorry if you were upset by that. I honestly didn't mean to offend.

[Dion]

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I don't think that it is a question the government has any right answering.

I clearly missed this leaving me to assume you're okay with parents subjecting thier children to second hand smoke. If you have kids I hope you don't this to them.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

You won't answer someones question but expect the other person to answers yours?

I don't care if you answer my question - you are the one who seems to care I haven't answered yours.

This tangent has become absurd.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Do you think the government should legislate even the smallest thing you do?

If my actions directly affects others in a bad way.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

I clearly missed this leaving me to assume you're okay with parents subjecting thier children to second hand smoke. If you have kids I hope you don't this to them.

I don't smoke. But I'm sure I do something that someone else finds offensive. The way things are going, I fully expect to find myself in breach of some form of legislation out there that will attempt to control my behavior at some date in the future.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I don't care if you answer my question - you are the one who seems to care I haven't answered yours.

Then don't complain when people make assumptions about you and your actions.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Dion

If my actions directly affects others in a bad way.

That's far too vague. Next thing you know, BO will be a capital offense.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I don't smoke. But I'm sure I do something that someone else finds offensive. The way things are going, I fully expect to find myself in breach of some form of legislation out there that will attempt to control my behavior at some date in the future.

I think you're fear mongering if you think it will go that far.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Knalus

That's far too vague. Next thing you know, BO will be a capital offense.

Good grief!

[frinkprof]

The problem I have with the hardcore libertarians (as exhibited in this thread: darkllord700 and Knalus) is that the "Less government!" cries are seen as some sort of fix-all solution. It begins and ends with "Just get the god damn gummint off my back in every way possible!" for these people.

Like with anything, simple single-statement solutions aren't solutions at all. Each issue or facet of society usually demands careful consideration and unique solutions and those solutions need to be revisted. Sometimes it ends up as less government intervention, different form of government intervention or sometimes more government intervention.

If your only tool is a hammer ("less government!"), every problem starts to look like a nail.