Feaster: "I really feel Jarome will finish his career here in Calgary"

[minnow]

"In fact if you believe Playfair and Warrener (and I do), Iginla has been more of a hindrance than help since Darryl left the bench. "
Yeah, cause Playfair and Warrener aren't bitter.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by minnow

"In fact if you believe Playfair and Warrener (and I do), Iginla has been more of a hindrance than help since Darryl left the bench. "
Yeah, cause Playfair and Warrener aren't bitter.

LOL. Playfair is bitter because Iginla fataed him. What's Warrener bitter about?

P.S. If you don't like Playfair or Warrener, how about the Sutter brothers?

[Mightyfire89]

For whatever the reason, Jarome Iginla has been the biggest problem for this team for about 5 years. He's like the head strong horse who will pull no matter what you do, but doesn't have the ability to differentiate between progress and futile effort. Actually, scratch that, there's a lot of times where he's not pulling at all, so...yeah...not a good analogy.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

LOL. Playfair is bitter because Iginla fataed him. What's Warrener bitter about?

Actually, that's a good question. What is Rhett bitter about? He was given every opportunity near the end of his career, what's his problem?

Hmmm, perhaps he is able to identify the leadership problems that have plagued this team since Conroy gave up the 'C'...

I don't know...

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I just care about the Flames winning the Cup. We won't win one with Iginla - that ship has sailed.

You're just another poster who's built it up in their mind that it's either trade Iginla - or we're not rebuilding - like it's black and white.

That just isn't the case.

If he wants to stay, and the team wants to keep him there is every possibility a rebuild and retool can continue around him and that he can be a huge help as the team turns around in the next few years.

I see nothing wrong with Iginla sticking it out while we move some other assets, draft wisely and spend our cap space on the right free agents.

That talk about anyone owing Iginla something is a bunch of BS. He has been a big part of this team for a long time and there are a lot of people who feel he can continue to play a big and positive role moving forward. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's not like Iginla is a rotten tooth that needs to be removed before the rest of the mouth can get healthy again.

That is such a narrow sighted view held by a select group of people on here.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by moon

My heart loves the strong stance on having Jarome finishing his career as a life long Flame, but my head is terrified at the thought that they think there is some sort of solution involving keeping Iginla on this team.

A good post, pretty much mirror's the same thoughts and concerns I have. I could also see Iginla keeping a job with the Flames in a front office role. But the only thing I can see Iginla doing if he stays on the club is mentoring these young guys coming in - Baertschi, Reinhart, etc.

If that's the case, we probably have a few more years before we could even be sniffing the playoffs, short of overhauling the majority of the roster this year and magically adding a Suter or Weber and Parise.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

That's why you don't deal Iginla for a few prospects, you deal Iginla+ for a bluechip prospect. Thats why I'm so pissed that Feaster used Regehr as a chip to dump salary, WTF... Regehr should have been used to get a blue chipper, not a average defenseman, tier 2 prospect (no offense to Byron) and a salary dump.

I don't think defensive defensemen return blue chippers in the new NHL. Regehr is not a top 2 defenseman in the new NHL on most teams.

However if you take Kotalik out of the equation Buffalo was willing to deal Butler and Byron for Regehr. Two young players with promise.

[T@T]

For every Raymond Bourque who got traded to a contender and actually won a cup there are 50 other vets who didn't. Iginla damn well knows this and doesn't want to uproot his family for a "chance" at a cup.

In the last 10 years only one pre-season favorite has won the cup (Detroit).Some have made the finals but most crumbled like creampuffs.

Iginla would know even if he went to a "contender" his chances are still slim. I wish fans/media would just leave him the fock alone,let the team build up with him here and let him retire with the flaming C tattooed on his arse.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by T@T

For every Raymond Bourque who got traded to a contender and actually won a cup there are 50 other vets who didn't. Iginla damn well knows this and doesn't want to uproot his family for a "chance" at a cup.

In the last 10 years only one pre-season favorite has won the cup (Detroit).Some have made the finals but most crumbled like creampuffs.

Iginla would know even if he went to a "contender" his chances are still slim. I wish fans/media would just leave him the fock alone,let the team build up with him here and let him retire with the flaming C tattooed on his arse.

I wouldn't say his chances of winning a Cup are 'slim' if he's moved to a team like PIT... maybe even WSH... certainly BOS... there are a handful of teams that are somewhat likely to win relative to others.

Out of curiosity, what's your source on Iginla's desires and preferences?

[Gary83]

I really have to think Iginla would be moved in a contract year, that's based on what he might want. He wouldn't really need to uproot his family and if he wanted he could then re-sign with Calgary the following year. This way he's away from his family for a few months, as opposed to a year+.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There is nothing wrong with keeping a veteran presence through a rebuild and suggesting this team can't build a winning team while keeping Iginla over the next five years is just ignorant.

To become a contender, this team needs to draft an elite core. Iginla is the only asset this team has that will realistically get us an elite prospect or top 10 pick. Keeping Iginla will likely add a season - maybe two - to the rebuild.

That's too high a price to pay for sentimentality.

And that's not even addressing the issue of whether this team can move forward with new leadership and a strong new coaching regime with Iginla in the fold.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yup. I think the Regehr saga is a case where we as fans didn't understand the value he had out there. People were expecting the Sabres to cough up a kid like Luke Adam. It simply wasn't going to happen. And I count myself as those who had a poor gauge of #28's value on the trade market.

Remember - Feaster quoted that there was only 1 team he was negotiating with on trading Regehr (because Buffalo was the only one willing to take salary). So...

• worked on a limited time frame (so he could make a hail mary pitch for Brad Richards... when that failed, Ryan Smyth... when that failed, used to resign Tanguay and Babchuk, and Babchuk is making 60% of Regehr's salary while being a press box player before getting injured) rather than take his time on a key asset
• actually using a key asset to dump salary, for a player who was going to play in Europe anyways... I hope Feaster doesn't use Iginla to dump Stajan's salary too
• not just Flames fans, but Buffalo fans, couldn't believe the return was Butler and Byron
• almost every single hockey fan (not just Flames fans) I've talked to can't believe Regehr went for so little

... those are the reasons why Feaster just doesn't aspire confidence in me when dealing high value players.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Remember - Feaster quoted that there was only 1 team he was negotiating with on trading Regehr (because Buffalo was the only one willing to take salary). So...

• worked on a limited time frame (so he could make a hail mary pitch for Brad Richards... when that failed, Ryan Smyth... when that failed, used to resign Tanguay and Babchuk, and Babchuk is making 60% of Regehr's salary while being a press box player before getting injured) rather than take his time on a key asset
• actually using a key asset to dump salary, for a player who was going to play in Europe anyways... I hope Feaster doesn't use Iginla to dump Stajan's salary too
• not just Flames fans, but Buffalo fans, couldn't believe the return was Butler and Byron
• almost every single hockey fan (not just Flames fans) I've talked to can't believe Regehr went for so little

... those are the reasons why Feaster just doesn't aspire confidence in me when dealing high value players.

Now that Sabres fans have had a chance to see him play on a regular basis I believe they now understand. He's still the slow, aging guy he was here and hasn't exactly been stellar for the Sabres.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

• almost every single hockey fan (not just Flames fans) I've talked to can't believe Regehr went for so little

At first, I was one of those fans. Down the road, I realized that Regehr was definitely overvalued, especially in this neck of the woods, myself included. For years I thought he would be able to a fetch a great return.

I'm not really interested in getting into another Hannan/Regehr debate with folks, but I truthfully don't think this team would be any better right now with Regehr in the lineup.

On the other hand...

... those are the reasons why Feaster just doesn't aspire confidence in me when dealing high value players.

...I agree at this moment. While I think Feaster has been okay overall, I don't feel comfortable whatsoever with him potentially being the one that could deal Iginla. I like Feaster. He's well spoken and honest, but that doesn't always win you a lot of trades.

Part of me is frightened he'd deal Iginla to someone like Tampa Bay, and the Flames would end up with a package Vincent Lecavalier, Tom Pyatt and a first or something .

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Now that Sabres fans have had a chance to see him play on a regular basis I believe they now understand. He's still the slow, aging guy he was here and hasn't exactly been stellar for the Sabres.

I just did a quick look at Buffalo's message board... not much has changed since I posted this:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...hr#post3355051

Examples of current posts on Regehr : Short list of "Do Not Trade" http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=1043293

-Regehr (Hits a ton, blocks lots of shots, can shut-down top forwards and make life hell for them)

Oh and for further clarification, Regehr and Ehrhoff are guys I wouldn't really trade, Regehr being the physical lynchpin we have been wanting for some time now and Ehrhoff really fits the bill for the PP point man. I don't believe we have the guys ready now that can step into their shoes and fill those roles on a full time basis.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

My heart loves the strong stance on having Jarome finishing his career as a life long Flame, but my head is terrified at the thought that they think there is some sort of solution involving keeping Iginla on this team.

Lots of posts in this thread but I like to concentrate on the best one. Feaster coming out and saying this pretty well confirms that the organization has no clue and we are heading into another seven year playoff drought. If they really think parading around a declining #12 on a bad team is going to continue to sell seats while the team flounders in the basement of the NHL standings they are going to be in for a big surprise. 2004 is long gone and fan apathy has already begun. The car flags are gone, you seldom see people wear Flames duds in public, nobody talks about the Flames at the water cooler, Flames games as pubs garner empty seats, etc. Calgarians are going about their daily business and the Flames have quietly subsided to the attention of only the harcore fans.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

It's not like Iginla is a rotten tooth that needs to be removed before the rest of the mouth can get healthy again.

Actually...

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by moon

My heart loves the strong stance on having Jarome finishing his career as a life long Flame, but my head is terrified at the thought that they think there is some sort of solution involving keeping Iginla on this team.

What that guy said.

Cowperson

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well if the return is pretty solid then sure you gotta look at moving him but here is the way i see it.

Feaster is not going to trade Iginla this season no matter what. I think Iggy would still be tough to move right now given he has a year left on his deal. While he says he is not trading him now that could feasibly change. Feaster said he wouldn't trade Regehr but he did. Things change and this situation could change over time.

If the Flames do finish with a top 5 pick they could potentially add 2 future first liners to the team next year with Sven and this pick.

Yep. Then we just need three or four more.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

With that said, there is just as much chance we can have the same level of success keeping him, drafting well and making other decisions to rebuild through the draft, free agency and other trades in the next few seasons.

Hang on - "just as much chance"? Really?

Moving Iginla does not prevent us from doing any of those things just as well as if we keep him. But we'll also have the assets we get for Iginla.