10-07-2011, 08:13 AM
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#121
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Originally Posted by schteve_d
Not sure if it's true or not but I heard that the Westborough woman tweeted their intent to picket the funeral from an iphone.
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It's true, according to news reports.
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10-07-2011, 01:27 PM
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#122
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Google and Samsung postpone an event on Tuesday where they were going to show off their next Nexus phone running the next version of Android; the reason being out of respect for Jobs and as the tech world is still mourning, and it wasn't time to celebrate anything.
My guess is there probably was an element of the launch that was anti-Iphone, but still a very classy move by those companies, and shows the respect Jobs' commanded as colleagues, not as competitors.
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10-07-2011, 03:00 PM
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#124
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RIP
This picture made me chuckle
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10-07-2011, 03:38 PM
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#125
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When the head of a company dies, their competitors president or CEO will usually chime in with your stock condolences. I cannot remember, someone getting as much praise or admiration from his rivals than Jobs. It says so much about the guy. Like it or not, the guy revolutionized the cell phone as we know it, and now the portable PC industry. Nobody has a even remotely successful tablet, had iPad not blazed the trail.
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10-07-2011, 05:04 PM
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#126
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10-07-2011, 05:25 PM
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#127
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
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You don't get as successful as Jobs did without stepping on some toes. Pretty much all the great inventors and entrepreneurs of the last 100 years (Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Bill Gates, etc.) have some pretty big skeletons in their closet or were greatly helped by some questionable business practices and methods. Jobs is no different.
Though I do think some of the criticisms are pretty unfair. Everything is made in China under brutal conditions and that has a lot more to do with consumers' desires than the companies. If tech companies didn't move their manufacturing offshore they simply wouldn't survive in a climate where every other company is doing so. Unless someone can argue that workers making stuff for Apple are subject to harsher conditions than the ones who make stuff for Samsung, LG, HTC, or whomever, that criticism isn't particularly pointed; it could be made about any company or CEO.
And as for his lack of charity, the guy died prematurely in his 50s at the height of his career. Most other philanthropists focus on charity either when they're older (Warren Buffett didn't start really donating until he was in his 70s) or when they've moved away from their careers such as Bill Gates' setting up his foundation as he transitioned away from the day to day work with Microsoft. Bill Gates was comfortable handing over the reigns of his company so he could focus on his brilliant charity work; evidently Jobs wasn't, at least not yet.
And as for a tech blog complaining Apple's heavy handedness with regards to it's relationship with media, that reeks of sour grapes to me. Especially in light of Gawker's subsidiary Gizmodo buying a stolen prototype iPhone 4 and being threatened by Apple with legal action.
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10-07-2011, 08:26 PM
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#128
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
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The part about MobileMe is completely unfair - anything Jobs said to that team of developers was half what the average person was feeling as MobileMe gleefully defecated on their calendars and contacts, often to the point where no matter how hard you scrubbed the brown wouldn't come out. The first six months of that service was insanely bad.
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10-07-2011, 08:46 PM
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#129
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Originally Posted by browna
Google and Samsung postpone an event on Tuesday where they were going to show off their next Nexus phone running the next version of Android; the reason being out of respect for Jobs and as the tech world is still mourning, and it wasn't time to celebrate anything.
My guess is there probably was an element of the launch that was anti-Iphone, but still a very classy move by those companies, and shows the respect Jobs' commanded as colleagues, not as competitors.
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Orrrr, they just know that any competitive marketing launched right now against Apple is going to look very bad on them.
I hope it's the former as you say, but I think it's probably a little of both.
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10-08-2011, 01:12 AM
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Both the Daily Show and Colbert had pretty solid tributes to Jobs on Thursday night....definitely worth checking out.
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10-08-2011, 05:15 AM
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#131
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And I Don't Care...
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Saw this elsewhere:
10 years ago we still had Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope
Today we have no jobs, no cash and no hope.
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10-08-2011, 07:28 PM
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#132
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Originally Posted by Esoteric
RIP
This picture made me chuckle

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Okay, I chuckled too.
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10-08-2011, 07:38 PM
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#133
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I do think its a terrible loss (before I ask this), but what exactly did Jobs invent? We had the same devices as he sold well before Apple brought them out. I do think that he was a great marketer and could see the trend developing for these products ahead of their time, but I'm not too sure what he actually invented? Before someone jumps down my throat here, let me say again that I do think that he did amazing things. I just think that the comparison to a guy like Edison are a little much.
Anyway, here is an interesting article I found tonight: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...ve-jobs/43424/
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10-08-2011, 07:47 PM
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#134
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Jobs didn't always invent things, he just made them better and more useful. Created an entire ecosystem of consumer products that seamlessly work together and have well made technology. And you don't need a PhD to use them.
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10-08-2011, 11:45 PM
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#135
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Originally Posted by Slava
I do think its a terrible loss (before I ask this), but what exactly did Jobs invent? We had the same devices as he sold well before Apple brought them out. I do think that he was a great marketer and could see the trend developing for these products ahead of their time, but I'm not too sure what he actually invented? Before someone jumps down my throat here, let me say again that I do think that he did amazing things. I just think that the comparison to a guy like Edison are a little much.
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I remember having a portable MP3 player well before the original ipod came out (good old Korea tech.) But Apple totally made it mainstream and easy to use for the masses. I'm no expert on Edison but I'm still amazed (and thankful for the sake of my portfolio) that he turned a company around from the brink of bankrupcty into one of the biggest market caps in the world.
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10-08-2011, 11:53 PM
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#136
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Originally Posted by Slava
I do think its a terrible loss (before I ask this), but what exactly did Jobs invent?
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Technically, probably not much at all. Most people will remember him for the iPod and iPhone, but his vision goes way, way back before that. He brought out the first usable personal computer, and brought us a mass market computer with a modern GUI operating system, which was widely copied, especially by Microsoft who outright stole Apple's concepts to ridiculous extremes.
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10-08-2011, 11:55 PM
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#137
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Good article from the NY Times about Steve Jobs and Edwin Land of Polaroid.
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IN the memorials to Steven P. Jobs this week, Apple’s co-founder was compared with the world’s great inventor-entrepreneurs: Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell. Yet virtually none of the obituaries mentioned the man Jobs himself considered his hero, the person on whose career he explicitly modeled his own: Edwin H. Land, the genius domus of Polaroid Corporation and inventor of instant photography.
Land, in his time, was nearly as visible as Jobs was in his. In 1972, he made the covers of both Time and Life magazines, probably the only chemist ever to do so. (Instant photography was a genuine phenomenon back then, and Land had created the entire medium, once joking that he’d worked out the whole idea in a few hours, then spent nearly 30 years getting those last few details down.) And the more you learn about Land, the more you realize how closely Jobs echoed him.
Both built multibillion-dollar corporations on inventions that were guarded by relentless patent enforcement. (That also kept the competition at bay, and the profit margins up.) Both were autodidacts, college dropouts (Land from Harvard, Jobs from Reed) who more than made up for their lapsed educations by cultivating extremely refined taste. At Polaroid, Land used to hire Smith College’s smartest art-history majors and send them off for a few science classes, in order to create chemists who could keep up when his conversation turned from Maxwell’s equations to Renoir’s brush strokes. Read more...
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10-09-2011, 09:41 PM
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#138
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GOAT!
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Video: Charlie Rose talks to Eric Schmidt (Google), Marc Andreessen (Netscape) and Walt Mossberg (Wall Street Journal) on Steve Jobs’ legacy
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/77067952
Long, but worth it.
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10-17-2011, 11:41 AM
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#139
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Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine
http://gawker.com/5849543/harvard-ca...ative-medicine
Steve Jobs had a mild form of cancer that is not usually fatal, but seems to have ushered along his own death by delaying conventional treatment in favor of alternative remedies, a Harvard Medical School researcher and faculty member says. Jobs's intractability, so often his greatest asset, may have been his undoing.
"Let me cut to the chase: Mr. Jobs allegedly chose to undergo all sorts of alternative treatment options before opting for conventional medicine," Ramzi Amri wrote in an extraordinarily detailed post to Quora, an online Q&A forum popular among Silicon Valley executives. "Given the circumstances, it seems sound to assume that Mr. Jobs' choice for alternative medicine has eventually led to an unnecessarily early death."
Steve Jobs’ cancer and pushing the limits of science-based medicine
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...of-steve-jobs/
So, is it possible, even likely, that Jobs compromised his chances of survival? Yes. Is it definite that he did? No, it’s not, at least it’s not anywhere as definite as Dunning makes it sound. In fact, based on statistics alone, it’s unlikely that a mere nine months took Jobs “from the high end to the low end of the survival rate,” as Dunning puts it.
I have no doubt that Jobs might well have compromised his chances of survival by delaying, but it’s just not scientifically supportable to leap to the conclusion, as Dunning does, that he compromised his chances so much that “alternative medicine killed him.” What is known about Jobs’s case and insulinomas do not support such a conclusion; at worst they support a conclusion that Jobs might have decreased his chances somewhat.
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10-17-2011, 01:52 PM
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#140
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I am not a cancer expert at all, but wasn't the chances of Steve Jobs surviving as long as he did for the type of cancer he had less than 1% with normal medicine? or am I confusing that with someone else who had cancer?
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