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[Circa89]

I don't smoke. I am saying intolerance is intolerance, Deal with Life and different lifestyles accordingly.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Circa89

I don't smoke. I am saying intolerance is intolerance, Deal with Life and different lifestyles accordingly.

Sorry, I don't and won't tolerate smoking or smokers for that matter. I lost my favourite uncle and a close lady friend to Lung Cancer.

[Circa89]

I am sorry to hear that but people make choices in life. What if your uncle died from a crazy wake boarding accident? You loved him obviously, love his life choices and accept the fact that we are all going to die regardless if we smoke or not. I have (had hopefully) cancer and it has nothing to do with bad life choices.
Relax, tolerate smoking, drinking red wine and eating pizza. Life is precious and no matter your great intentions people have different life goals but we really don't need to fret over others habits if they don't derail your life mission.

May I suggest "tolerating" a smoker or two in your life and live a simpler life free from judgement?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Circa89

I am sorry to hear that but people make choices in life. What if your uncle died from a crazy wake boarding accident? You loved him obviously, love his life choices and accept the fact that we are all going to die regardless if we smoke or not. I have (had hopefully) cancer and it has nothing to do with bad life choices.
Relax, tolerate smoking, drinking red wine and eating pizza. Life is precious and no matter your great intentions people have different life goals but we really don't need to fret over others habits if they don't derail your life mission.

May I suggest "tolerating" a smoker or two in your life and live a simpler life free from judgement?

May I suggest you spent some time with a Lung Cancer patient in a Cancer ward. It would help cure your "tolernace of smokers". It's a very painful and horrible way to die. No one needs to die that way.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Circa89

I am sorry to hear that but people make choices in life. What if your uncle died from a crazy wake boarding accident? You loved him obviously, love his life choices and accept the fact that we are all going to die regardless if we smoke or not. I have (had hopefully) cancer and it has nothing to do with bad life choices.
Relax, tolerate smoking, drinking red wine and eating pizza. Life is precious and no matter your great intentions people have different life goals but we really don't need to fret over others habits if they don't derail your life mission.

May I suggest "tolerating" a smoker or two in your life and live a simpler life free from judgement?

death from wakeboarding or mountain climbing et al are "different" than death by addiction.
Toleration of smoking is a dying habit....both ways.

[JohnnyB]

No offence to you guys (Dion & Cheese), but I can't help feeling that the aggressive way you're both engaging in the conversation in this thread really makes you come across as EDIT: self centered and inconsiderate of others. While that may or may not be true in the world beyond internet arguments, and as much as I share the vision of a cigarette-free world as a nicer place, you guys are just being unnecessarily rude about it. The two of you sound like you'd quite enjoy leading a lynch mob to round up and put an end to anyone with a cigarette.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by zamler

If you think cigarettes are not as addicting as some hard core illegal drugs, try this test. Watch a smoker that has run out of smokes, their life is put on hold until they get their fix. And the longer they go without, the more urgent and dedicated they will become. I've seen this happen many times, the pattern is shockingly similar to several illegal drugs. I've seen friends go from perfectly normal to basically non-functional until they were able to light up again.

Don't kid yourself, nicotine addiction is extremely powerful.

I on the other hand have never seen anything remotely similar.

Don't kid yourself, nicotine is a powerful addiction, but is a joke compared to coke and heroin. It is insulting to people in rehab for hard drugs whose lives have been ruined to compare the two.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

No offence to you guys (Dion & Cheese), but I can't help feeling that the aggressive way you're both engaging in the conversation in this thread really makes you come across as jerks. While that may or may not be true in the world beyond internet arguments, and as much as I share the vision of a cigarette-free world as a nicer place, you guys are just being unnecessarily rude about it. The two of you sound like you'd quite enjoy leading a lynch mob to round up and put an end to anyone with a cigarette.

We are allowed to say what we think in a free society. Viva la Revolucion!!!
I personally don't give a flying fatooey whether my stance on smoking makes me "sound like a jerk".
Personally I think the smokers in this thread that are trying to suggest their habit does not interfere with or create issues for anyone besides themselves are the jerks.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I on the other hand have never seen anything remotely similar.

Don't kid yourself, nicotine is a powerful addiction, but is a joke compared to coke and heroin. It is insulting to people in rehab for hard drugs whose lives have been ruined to compare the two.

People have had their lives ruined by alcohol and gambling addictions too. Does that mean that those things are more addictive than nicotine? If so, then why are there a lot more casual drinkers and gamblers than there are casual smokers?

And I highly doubt that people in rehab for hard drugs are going to be terribly insulted that someone on a message board posted a link to a study that claims nicotine is as addictive as coke and heroin. So spare us the holier than thou crap.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cheese

We are allowed to say what we think in a free society. Viva la Revolucion!!!
I personally don't give a flying fatooey whether my stance on smoking makes me "sound like a jerk".
Personally I think the smokers in this thread that are trying to suggest their habit does not interfere with or create issues for anyone besides themselves are the jerks.

Actually, I think most everyone in this thread has been on board with the fact that smokers shouldn't be smoking anywhere they're not allowed to smoke, such as within 5 meters of a doorway, in restaurants etc. And I don't think anyone has denied that sustained intake of either first or second hand smoke has serious consequences for health. What people seem to be really taking issue with is the idea that smokers are infringing upon other people's rights by smelling bad or through the smoke they puff out leading to a momentary and minor inhalation by somebody else in a public place where smoking is legal. Both smokers and non-smokers in this thread also seem to be sticking up against the suggestions that smokers are disgusting addicts not to be tolerated by society.

Your approach towards smokers just seems both unreasonable and unnecessarily antagonistic. And yet you're calling them the jerks...

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Actually, I think most everyone in this thread has been on board with the fact that smokers shouldn't be smoking anywhere they're not allowed to smoke, such as within 5 meters of a doorway, in restaurants etc. And I don't think anyone has denied that sustained intake of either first or second hand smoke has serious consequences for health. What people seem to be really taking issue with is the idea that smokers are infringing upon other people's rights by smelling bad or through the smoke they puff out leading to a momentary and minor inhalation by somebody else in a public place where smoking is legal. Both smokers and non-smokers in this thread also seem to be sticking up against the suggestions that smokers are disgusting addicts not to be tolerated by society.

Your approach towards smokers just seems both unreasonable and unnecessarily antagonistic. And yet you're calling them the jerks...

well it is what it is JohnnyB. I will not apologize for saying whats on my mind regardless of whether or not others "might" get hurt feelings....especially with something as disgusting as smoking.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

No offence to you guys (Dion & Cheese), but I can't help feeling that the aggressive way you're both engaging in the conversation in this thread really makes you come across as EDIT: self centered and inconsiderate of others. While that may or may not be true in the world beyond internet arguments, and as much as I share the vision of a cigarette-free world as a nicer place, you guys are just being unnecessarily rude about it. The two of you sound like you'd quite enjoy leading a lynch mob to round up and put an end to anyone with a cigarette.

I've seen first hand what smoking does to people so yes I do have an opinion on the subject and I make no aplologies for my comments. Frankly if smokers were always considerate of others there wouldn't be laws banning smoking in the workplace, resturants etc. For the longest time they didn't seem to understand that thier disgusting habit affects others.

[Cheese]

New Health labels that will be going on Cigarette and Cigar packages next year. Labels must now cover 75% vs the existing 50% of the package.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/tobac-t...php#cigarettes

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Dion

I've seen first hand what smoking does to people so yes I do have an opinion on the subject and I make no aplologies for my comments. Frankly if smokers were always considerate of others there wouldn't be laws banning smoking in the workplace, resturants etc. For the longest time they didn't seem to understand that thier disgusting habit affects others.

I think it was more a case of "I don't care"

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Cheese

New Health labels that will be going on Cigarette and Cigar packages next year. Labels must now cover 75% vs the existing 50% of the package.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/tobac-t...php#cigarettes

Why don't they just cut to the chase and force tobacco companies to have skull and crossbones on the fronts and only allow them to put their brand name on the sides.

[CaptainCrunch]

Because a skill and crossbones is cool.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Cheese

New Health labels that will be going on Cigarette and Cigar packages next year. Labels must now cover 75% vs the existing 50% of the package.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/tobac-t...php#cigarettes

Better yet the govt should just ban cigarettes. Then again they'd miss the tax revenues

[Dion]

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Dion

Sorry, I don't and won't tolerate smoking or smokers for that matter. I lost my favourite uncle and a close lady friend to Lung Cancer.

I'm sorry that you lost loved ones but please do not feel obligated to enforce your personal feelings on a matter to the degree that it infringes upon the freedom of others to do whatever they want to themselves. Intolerance is intolerance.

Cheese, I find it hypocritical the way you attack the manner in which people proselytize religion upon the unwilling and yet you demonstrate the same behavior when it comes to a different topic.

I'm a non-smoker but I will enjoy the odd cigar or tobacco product (still looking for snus) as one of the few pleasures of life. I believe people should have the freedom to smoke if they want to and being smug and superior over them does not help things... As a matter of personal preference, you'd have to be crazy to smoke Canadian cigarettes though, yuck

On the topic of keeping the Tobacco companies down, banning all forms of marketing completely, and covering the entire pack of smokes with horrifying imagery, I wholeheartedly agree. I don't think it's these things that have changed smoking trends specifically though, but a change in the social perception of smoking as it's nolonger the cool thing to do and as this thread demonstrates, smokers are increasingly being ostracized by their peers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I'm sorry that you lost loved ones but please do not feel obligated to enforce your personal feelings on a matter to the degree that it infringes upon the freedom of others to do whatever they want to themselves. Intolerance is intolerance.

How about I take a homeless person off the street who hasn't had a bath in months and put him in a work cubicle next to you. Would you tolerate the smell?