Apple Granted Injunction to pull Samsung 10.1 Tablets from EU Shelves

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well considering Apple is such a big client, you would think they wouldn't be stupid enough to sue in the first place for what are ridiculous claims of patent infringement.

What makes them ridiculous? Unless you have actually inspected the patents, devices, statements of claim and other related documents you have no idea. The fact that an injunction was granted makes it pretty clear that there is at least an argument to be made.

[Jing]

Originally Posted by valo403

Predictable, and will almost certainly result in a settlement. Good on Samsung for pushing back, but it's risky seeing as Apple is such a big client. Ultimately you'd have to think that they'll compromise to avoid both of them losing out on some pretty substantial revenues.

Didn't Apple dump Samsung and opted for some Taiwanese company to produce the chips for their next line of iPhones? At this point Samsung might as well go all in.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by valo403

What makes them ridiculous? Unless you have actually inspected the patents, devices, statements of claim and other related documents you have no idea. The fact that an injunction was granted makes it pretty clear that there is at least an argument to be made.

The claims are ridiculous... if you take a look at what Apple is claiming, they want to be the only one who can sell tablet like computers with rounded corners and a black bezel. They also claimed in their trade dress suit that a grid of icons is their trade dress when there is substantial prior art. All of the suits are related to trade dress and the products looking too similar when most of these elements have existed in OS and UI design for ages.

All TVs are made the same way, usually the only thing different is the brand on the front. It's like trying to sue someone to get them to remove the steering wheel for a car because it's round. The fact they Apple also doctored submitted evidence to the courts is also quite damning. On the other hand, now Apple is getting starting to get sued on a substantial number of wireless patents, lets see how this pans out.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The claims are ridiculous... if you take a look at what Apple is claiming, they want to be the only one who can sell tablet like computers with rounded corners and a black bezel. They also claimed in their trade dress suit that a grid of icons is their trade dress when there is substantial prior art. All of the suits are related to trade dress and the products looking too similar when most of these elements have existed in OS and UI design for ages.

All TVs are made the same way, usually the only thing different is the brand on the front. It's like trying to sue someone to get them to remove the steering wheel for a car because it's round. The fact they Apple also doctored submitted evidence to the courts is also quite damning. On the other hand, now Apple is getting starting to get sued on a substantial number of wireless patents, lets see how this pans out.

Well hey, maybe you should give Samsung a call and offer your legal expertise. I bet they never thought of these incredible arguments when addressing this "ridiculous" suit. I mean they don't have a team of multi million dollar attorneys or anything

I just find it hilarious when people who clearly have no idea about anything beyond the surface issues of a legal case decide that they can make an accurate judgment as to its merits.

[Red]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The claims are ridiculous... if you take a look at what Apple is claiming, they want to be the only one who can sell tablet like computers with rounded corners and a black bezel. They also claimed in their trade dress suit that a grid of icons is their trade dress when there is substantial prior art. All of the suits are related to trade dress and the products looking too similar when most of these elements have existed in OS and UI design for ages.

All TVs are made the same way, usually the only thing different is the brand on the front. It's like trying to sue someone to get them to remove the steering wheel for a car because it's round. The fact they Apple also doctored submitted evidence to the courts is also quite damning. On the other hand, now Apple is getting starting to get sued on a substantial number of wireless patents, lets see how this pans out.

You should take your own advice before runnig the victory lap.

All we know so far is that an anonymous Samsung excecutive said that they are planning to sue Apple in Korea.

We don't even know if they have a leg to stand on or are they just BSing about some imaginary infractions out of spite.

Your steering wheel example is hog wash. These patents would have expired decades ago. Apple has a few years of monopoly on their products and have every right to protect them. That's what pushes innovation. Forces others to out-innovate. Samsung is simply ripping off other successful companies designs. Anyone who denies that is delusional.

[Jackpot_Smooth]

the offensive against apple ss starting..
http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+to+...ticle22772.htm

[sclitheroe]

This is pretty funny (whether intentional or not):



Link:
http://allthingsd.com/20110923/what-...pps/?mod=tweet

[Barnes]

Microsoft will now be receiving royalties from sales of Samsung Android phones.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...s_tablets.html

[Hemi-Cuda]

Motorola granted injunction against Apple for patent infringement

http://www.androidcentral.com/german...t-infringement

nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a bit here

[silentsim]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Motorola granted injunction against Apple for patent infringement

http://www.androidcentral.com/german...t-infringement

nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a bit here

Seems motorola is using this as leverage for licensing royalties, instead of asking to ban the product.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by silentsim

Seems motorola is using this as leverage for licensing royalties, instead of asking to ban the product.

Considering how much money Microsoft is getting from various Android phone makers based on royalties, it would be smart of Motorola to try that as well.

[Tinordi]

And in case anyone was doubting the real reason for Google acquisition of Motorola...

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

And in case anyone was doubting the real reason for Google acquisition of Motorola...

No one really ever doubted it, Google said from the start the acquisition was mostly for Moto's patent portfolio. Apple was acting like a patent troll when they were not paying royalties themselves on a bunch of technologies, mostly related to wireless. Hopefully there's enough incentive now for everyone to settle and just stop the patent madness, but that's overly optimistic.

The patent system is horribly borked. Broad, vague and unoriginal ideas are allowed to pass as innovation often without proper reviews into whether they are 'novel' or whether they are just common sense type ideas. Too often no one actually knows what a patent actually covers realistically until it goes to litigation and someone actually has to look at it. Now with things like drug trial studies METHODOLOGY being patented, it's seriously starting to hurt innovation and trend will continue.

[Hack&Lube]

The only winners here are the lawyers.

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The only winners here are the lawyers.

They must have....quite a Tab!

[Bobblehead]

And now Motorola has won a patent suit in Germany which will give them the right to request an injunction on all sales of iPhone and iPad.

Motorola's just scored a fairly big victory in its ongoing worldwide case against Apple: a German court has ruled that every iPhone up to the iPhone 4S and both 3G iPads infringe a Motorola patent held essential to the GPRS standard. (The iPhone 4S simply wasn't around when Motorola filed the case; it's likely but not certain it contains the same infringing elements.) Unlike the previous Motorola victory in Germany, this one has some actual teeth: Motorola can post a €100m ($133m) bond and enforce an injunction against sales of Apple's products in Germany.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/26...an-iphone-ipad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16112259

There needs to be some serious patent reform. Intellectual Law in all quarters seems to be really struggling with the speed of change and the global nature of business today.