Were these attacks organized by groups within the umbrella of christianity or were they committed by lone individuals? Were the acts then condemned by the very groups they associated with?
My Cousin from Vancouver tried arguing that Calgary has also had riots like Vancouver because there has been reported instances of violence and others of vandalism. He even showed me a web site that documented them.
I didn't buy the argument. I also don't buy yours. We are talking about two different levels of organization and crime.
I really don't think there is much of a difference in organization or the crime between fringe Christians targeting abortion clinics and fringe Muslim targeting people who they thing have wronged them. They're both extremists. The majority of Christians and Muslims also decry their actions. Flabibulin posted something, and I made an apt (in my opinion) comparison.
Blowing up a car or running into a public place with a gun isn't really all that complicated. There is a reason most terrorist attacks are of this nature and not 9/11.
Well the 2 links you gave are basically nonsense, so what do you believe? Obviously the wording isn't meant to suggest terrorists didn't conspire, but that Alex Jones and the links you gave are suggesting otherwise and are well known conspiracy theorists.
So which are you, since you linked those 2 webpages, I hesitate to call them articles.
I dont know what to believe. Maybe those links are bunk, but its good to have questions.
Honest question: Who did you immediately suspect was responsible for the bombing? a. Islamic extremists; b. other religions' extremists; c. politically-motivated terrorists; d. generic crazy person/people; e. other
Considering it was Norway I immediately believed it was islamic extremists.
Were these attacks organized by groups within the umbrella of christianity or were they committed by lone individuals? Were the acts then condemned by the very groups they associated with?
Riiight.... so in other words only Christians should not be labelled Christians when they commit a crime because they are only individuals.
You seem to have a better understanding of my own religious institutions than I do. Feel free to point out the radical religious leaders of the mosque and I'll be happy to. Do you honestly believe these guys parade around with terrorist on their forward?
If it was so easy maybe you should have chased out the pedophiles in your own church?
What the hell does religion have to do with "O Canada"?
Thanks, but I already do, and I'm sure there are tons of non-religious people who do and don't either.
I think that will happen when Palestine is given the right to exist.
Yes, because muslim charities that funnel money to criminals have a big sign that tells everyone about their internal activities and how the money being gathered is being used for terrorism. Do you honestly believe the crap you write?
So you refuse to recongnize Israel's right to exist... interesting. You also fail to recongnize the real links between home grown terrorists and the Mosques they attend. Do you honestly believe that ever mosque in Canada is a mild as yours? How many Terrorists have come out of your Mosque? Perhaps like churches they aren't all the same.
O and for the record we have chased all known pedephiles from our church. If any more pop up we'll show them the door and cooperate with our police fully. What we won't do is pretend that no problem exists. Feel free to follow our example.
everytime I come into this thread I am expecting updates on the current situation in Oslo, but then am greeted with argumments about whose religion is more corrupt and who is spouting bull**** and who isnt.
Back on topic?
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Riiight.... so in other words only Christians should not be labelled Christians when they commit a crime because they are only individuals.
There is a reason why every murder and every instance of vandalism isn't called a terrorist attack. You can lump all of the instances of vandalism and all the murders that have been commited against abortion clinics over the years together and they will pale against either one of these two crimes commited in Norway today.
When todays events are investigated you will find an organization that supported these crimes and several individuals who actively helped out. The anti-abortion organizations are pro-life and niether helped or supported the crimes against abortion clinics.
Also, these clinics actively take human lives. Don't ever forget that.
everytime I come into this thread I am expecting updates on the current situation in Oslo, but then am greeted with argumments about whose religion is more corrupt and who is spouting bull**** and who isnt.
So the killings of abortionists and bombing of abortion clinics aren't considered acts of terrorism to you? How about Uganda's anti-gay legislation? Does that not seem slightly extreme to you? And I guess the murders of media members for over "blasphemous" statements by Christians isn't seen as extreme to either?
Interesting response, and you listed a few very reprehensible things, but once again, please consider a little context here. The topic here is terrorism (targeting of civilians), not extremism. I am not interested in arguing on whether Christians are extreme, or promote extremism.
Although yes, the bombing of random civilians in an abortion clinic would be considered an act of terrorism. Uganda's anti-gay legislation is not an example of an act of terrorism. I am not familiar with your reference to the killing of media members, but that sounds more like murder, not terrorism?
I'll abandon this tangent now so the thread isn't derailed any further.
Last edited by Flabbibulin; 07-22-2011 at 01:43 PM.
So sad. To think, a lot them were probably just youths participating in a seemingly innocent political event. Can't even imagine being in that situation.
So this bombing wasnt a planned event aka a conspiracy? interesting.
