Your thoughts on life after death

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by peter12

Regurgitating textbook racism!

You meant to say 'perpetuating.' Study harder.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Can you come out of your depression already?

You're even more of a downer then usual.

Ok, I thought that was a pretty obvious troll on my part. People expect something of me and I give it to them!

[Traditional_Ale]

I really want peter12 to write a book.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I really want peter12 to write a book.

I want it to be called Bourgeois Fatalism: The Proletarian Response.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

I have two experiences that I have had that suggest to me that death is a poorly understood scientific phenomenon. But these are just my experiences...

1-Having several dreams where I died...and kept dreaming. Not proof of anything...but still an experience I have had that suggests that when the body goes it isn't the end of 'me'

2-Being in a hospital room with a family when the matriarch of the family passed away. Of course everyone starts to weep passionately (they weren't from an uptight WASP culture), then I feel a calming sensation...it was like I FELT (not heard) someone say "It will be ok"...at that same moment everyone in the room composed themselves (like they felt better). What caused it? I don't know...I know that I felt something and that at that same time everyone else calmed down (possibly because they felt something too.)

So those are two personal experiences I have had that directly impact my own perception about what death means...it's the end of Fozzie but not the end of 'me'

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

You die. You're dead. That's it.

Define "it"? Eternal darkness? Something else?

[Ozy_Flame]

I lost most of my faith in religion a while ago (Roman Catholic) and now consider myself agnostic, but I do believe in karma. Whatever you sow in this life, you will reap in the next one. Ebb and flow, cause and effect. Such is life.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by driveway

I want it to be called Bourgeois Fatalism: The Proletarian Response.

I want it to be called: Nietzsche, Amor Fati, and Endless Internet Bandwidth.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Why do i have spend a lot of time pondering the subject, when i will enjoy life much more not thinking about it.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, but those who strive for meaning in their life chose to examine it.

To examine and apply meaning to your life means more trouble and constraints. You apply meaning to your family, you could choose to not apply meaning. That way one of them could die and you wouldn't have to interrupt your enjoyment to mourn or examine it. But almost everyone does apply meaning, and are deeply affected by their family's actions/circumstances.

So to me it's important to examine life and what's important to you. This creates pain and sacrifice but allows your life to be full and meaningful.

It's entirely your choice though.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, but those who strive for meaning in their life chose to examine it.

To examine and apply meaning to your life means more trouble and constraints. You apply meaning to your family, you could choose to not apply meaning. That way one of them could die and you wouldn't have to interrupt your enjoyment to mourn or examine it. But almost everyone does apply meaning, and are deeply affected by their family's actions/circumstances.

So to me it's important to examine life and what's important to you. This creates pain and sacrifice but allows your life to be full and meaningful.

It's entirely your choice though.

Exactly... my choice. At my point in life I have rationalized death with my genetics being passed on. I can worry about life fufillment in other ways (like examining what is important to you.

Honestly, if we were all so inclined to seek self-fufillment all the time, we would not be on this message board arguing about driving methods every day.

[photon]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Terrible example. She's a human being and no different than you (well, she IS different but that's not what I mean of course).

So? Why is the difference in nature between God and my wife germane to the question of knowing God exists removing freedom to choose to love God or not?

I know my wife exists and I love her. I know Zaphod Beeblebrox doesn't exist and I love him (in a manly way).

Originally Posted by arloiginla

If there is a supreme and supernatural God, then we as humans are accountable to Him.

Why? I don't know of any reason why better than "might makes right", and that's not a very good reason.

Originally Posted by arloiginla

This is the number one reason most reject Him. It's not like a human relationship that you'd have with your wife or anyone else.

The #1 reason most reject him is because we are accountable to him? That doesn't make any sense though, to be accountable first we must know what we are accountable for, and then to whom or what we are accountable, but if god only reveals himself partially then neither of those conditions are met.

Originally Posted by arloiginla

God doesn't hide Himself as you suggest, more like He doesn't reveal Himself in normal "Hi here I am standing right in front of you" ways.

It doesn't matter how he does it, if he's omniscient then he knows what amount of and what kind of revelation it would take to have someone accept him, and if he chooses not to provide that then he's the one accountable for the consequences, not the individual.

[troutman]

Do elephants think about life after death? Some suggest they mourn the dead:

http://animal.discovery.com/news/bri.../elephant.html

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Exactly... my choice. At my point in life I have rationalized death with my genetics being passed on. I can worry about life fufillment in other ways (like examining what is important to you.

Honestly, if we were all so inclined to seek self-fufillment all the time, we would not be on this message board arguing about driving methods every day.

Socrates said that "the unexamined life was not worth living," but in my experience, all the examined life does is make you want to end it, anyway.

Perhaps ignorance is best, but I tend to not think so.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Define "it"?

You're dead.

[HelloHockeyFans]

It's hard to imagine because "nothing" is impossible to describe since we've never experienced it before in our lives.

Instead of constantly feeling things through our senses and thinking of things in our minds while alive, all of this disappears when you die.

The only thing I can think of that could liken its experience to death and after death is when people are considered "dead" but come back and don't recall any of the events that happened while they were dead. This is what happens, except it's forever.

[photon]

I'm always amused when my webcomic RSS feeds line up with threads.

[Dion]

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

I have no idea what that meant.

Good or bad?

It is both good and bad. The first verse suggests that all die and are than judged. Going before a judge usually is a bad thing.


Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The second verse suggests that for those who recieve Him, Jesus Christ has already paid the penalty for their sins. "Sin" literally means missing the mark. If you or I have missed the mark or the standard God has set the second verse is very promising.

Death is looked at in the Bible as a separation. The wages of sin is "death" which is a separation from God. Most of the world knows this separation. Physical death is a separation from the affairs of this world including those we love.

The Bible talks about the "second death" which is the eternal separation from our Creator; including all his love and mercy. It is a state without light or any other comfort because these things are part of God's creation.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

For those whoes sins Jesus has bore there will be no second death after the judgement. Moreover the separation that exists today between man and God because of unpunished sin is removed.

Loved ones who are separated by the first death will be reunited with God if their sins were covered by Christ. There will be no more separation(death) after the first one.

[Savvy27]

Call me a cynic, but promising people a big payoff after they die is like holding a lottery and never announcing the name of the winner.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do elephants think about life after death? Some suggest they mourn the dead:

http://animal.discovery.com/news/bri.../elephant.html

Maybe i'll be a big elephant in my next life