2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[iloveicedhockey]

It would be pretty special if he ended up in Edmonton.

[Ashasx]

Trading for OEL only makes sense if the Coyotes are giving up two+ 1st rounders in return and your team is rebuilding.

Then in 3-4 years, you hope he generates a career ending allergy to his equipment, or you catch him with oxycontin.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Trading for OEL only makes sense if the Coyotes are giving up two+ 1st rounders in return and your team is rebuilding.

Then in 3-4 years, you hope he generates a career ending allergy to his equipment, or you catch him with oxycontin.

So you think he is going to Chicago or LA?

[N-E-B]

We’re going to miss out on Jack Eichel, lose Giordano to Seattle, and trade for OEL to replace him aren’t we?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

We’re going to miss out on Jack Eichel, lose Giordano to Seattle, and trade for OEL to replace him aren’t we?

We know how Treliving covets defensemen and the Flames were supposedly sniffing around OEL last offseason so it can't be disregarded that the Flames may be a player. Bringing in OEL would be a feather in the cap of Treliving and Maloney in their pursuit of turning the Flames into the Coyotes North. Our only hope is that Darryl isn't a fan of the player.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

We’re going to miss out on Jack Eichel,

"Missing out" on Jack Eichel may be a blessing. The Flames don't have the assets to be chasing a guy that is not a 10 year solution to the problems that plague the team. Even if the Flames managed to swing a deal for Eichel, he is here for five years. Based on what we would be giving up to get him, we would be no better than Buffalo currently is, and arguably worse. Missing out on Eichel may be a blessing.

lose Giordano to Seattle,

Not sure that would be a big loss. Giordano is not playing like a $6.75M player. It might be beneficial to see one of our big salaries disappear in expansion. I would prefer it were Lucic, but if we lost Gio I don't think that would be a bad thing.

and trade for OEL to replace him aren’t we?

This is the one that scares me. I've been anti-OEL for the past three or four years because he sucks so bad. So many people fell in love with his scoring numbers but he is so bad defensively he is a net drain on the team (see the first guy you mentioned in this post and apply the same concerns to him). There is more to the game than racking up points, and OEL has never bought into that belief. If the Flames do go after him and win out, it will be a dark dark day for the organization. OEL is a disaster of a player and not worth the squeeze. Seems destined to be an Oiler, which means he will likely end up a Flame.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

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Of course - I don't think they can get Dach+Boqvist; it's a matter of whether they want to prioritize the blue line for once and how confident they feel in Cozens+Mittelstadt.

Perhaps the simpler way to look at it is:
Dach++ vs. Boqvist+++

CHI definitely has the assets and cap space to do it. Even moreso if they move Toews (to NYR?)

I doubt that Chicago would trade Dach as his cap hit is simply so low compared to Eichel. I doubt that two of Boqvists would get you a Dach. Dach's chances of being a Getzlaf type player is very high. If I was Chicago I would not move Dach alone for Eichel. Eichel has too much risk attached to him, and Chicago is not an Eichel away from competing. Now, if Toews will be on permanent long term injury, and Buffalo will accept a Boqvist plus other prospects players like Kubalik etc.(along with Chicago's 11OA), it might make sense for Chicago, as it improves the team now and doesn't gut their future.

Both Towes and Kane have made it very clear that they have no intention of leaving Chicago. And Chicago has made it very clear they have no intention of trying to move them unless they come to management and request a trade.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

"Missing out" on Jack Eichel may be a blessing. The Flames don't have the assets to be chasing a guy that is not a 10 year solution to the problems that plague the team. Even if the Flames managed to swing a deal for Eichel, he is here for five years. Based on what we would be giving up to get him, we would be no better than Buffalo currently is, and arguably worse. Missing out on Eichel may be a blessing.

5 years is a long time. In professional sports, it's difficult to plan for anything more than that. Treliving has always said he wants to ice the best team possible, and Jack Eichel is the best player (known to be) available, and it's not even close. He also addresses a need that needs to be addressed.

This assumption that Jack (or Johnny...or whoever else) won’t sign here are just silly at this stage. The big question mark that has been living in everyone's mind was whether or not Johnny would bolt to Philly at first light...and? Nope. He wants to sign here long-term and play the rest of his career here.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

We’re going to miss out on Jack Eichel, lose Giordano to Seattle, and trade for OEL to replace him aren’t we?

I can pretty much guarantee we’re not getting Eichel.

Can’t guarantee the other two.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I can pretty much guarantee we’re not getting Eichel.

Can’t guarantee the other two.

Based on actual tangible connections or based on a ‘gut’ feeling? Guarantee is a big statement even with ‘pretty much’ preceding it.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Based on actual tangible connections or based on a ‘gut’ feeling? Guarantee is a big statement even with ‘pretty much’ preceding it.

Words don't mean anything anymore.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not sure that would be a big loss. Giordano is not playing like a $6.75M player. It might be beneficial to see one of our big salaries disappear in expansion. I would prefer it were Lucic, but if we lost Gio I don't think that would be a bad thing.

Giordano had a pretty solid season in most measures. Not sure how to quantify the worth vs $6.75M but most of his numbers showed him to be a solid #2, or lesser #1 so it certainly wasn't out of the range needed to justify it.

But ...

He's 38 and could literally hit a wall at any point. May not be the last year of his contract in Calgary but it could be.

And pretty much guarantees a change to the core and the dressing room if the captain goes and creates cap space.

Love the guy, appreciate what's he's done, but don't give up assets to protect one year of Giordano UNLESS you head more in the rebuild direction and you keep him to move him at the deadline for value.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Giordano had a pretty solid season in most measures. Not sure how to quantify the worth vs $6.75M but most of his numbers showed him to be a solid #2, or lesser #1 so it certainly wasn't out of the range needed to justify it.

But ...

He's 38 and could literally hit a wall at any point. May not be the last year of his contract in Calgary but it could be.

And pretty much guarantees a change to the core and the dressing room if the captain goes and creates cap space.

Love the guy, appreciate what's he's done, but don't give up assets to protect one year of Giordano UNLESS you head more in the rebuild direction and you keep him to move him at the deadline for value.

That's a bit tricky to pull off and a bit of a gamble no?

You pay assets to keep Gio which are rumored to be ridiculously high to trade him at the deadline?

I'm a little concerned that the value given up to keep him will be greater than the deadline return. Especially since you're gambling big on him not hitting the wall.

And even if he doesn't, is the value even still there to match what you gave up?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Is it even possible to have Seattle pick Gio and then trade him back to us with retention? I’ve made a proposal about that before but wasn’t sure if that was even something you could do.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Is it even possible to have Seattle pick Gio and then trade him back to us with retention? I’ve made a proposal about that before but wasn’t sure if that was even something you could do.

Pretty sure that’s not allowed but not 100 percent on it.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Giordano had a pretty solid season in most measures. Not sure how to quantify the worth vs $6.75M but most of his numbers showed him to be a solid #2, or lesser #1 so it certainly wasn't out of the range needed to justify it.

But ...

He's 38 and could literally hit a wall at any point. May not be the last year of his contract in Calgary but it could be.

And pretty much guarantees a change to the core and the dressing room if the captain goes and creates cap space.

Love the guy, appreciate what's he's done, but don't give up assets to protect one year of Giordano UNLESS you head more in the rebuild direction and you keep him to move him at the deadline for value.

I'd argue last season as "solid" as it may have appeared numbers wise, was more of a wall hit in my mind based on the "eye" test especially early on in the season and towards the very end.

His speed and positioning has taken a huge hit, his awareness at times seemed almost non-existent and it was very clear he cant keep up with the fast pace style any more (rightfully so he's 38).

Tanev's play certainly help shield/hide his flaws, Tanev's season was criminally underrated by most.

I think its time to move on from Gio as your captain and your #1 Defenseman, you leave him exposed without a doubt. If Seattle takes him for a season by all means let him go, you can always retire him a flame later on which I believe they would do.

his 6.75M cap hit for what he brings is not worth it in my opinion, I'm hoping CGY leaves him exposed and Seattle takes him for their Captain next year, it would be win/win for both Franchises.

We need to get younger and faster, certainly the cap space is a huge bonus in this case.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's a bit tricky to pull off and a bit of a gamble no?

You pay assets to keep Gio which are rumored to be ridiculously high to trade him at the deadline?

I'm a little concerned that the value given up to keep him will be greater than the deadline return. Especially since you're gambling big on him not hitting the wall.

And even if he doesn't, is the value even still there to match what you gave up?

He's a pretty unique player so I'm guessing he doesn't come off that much, especially if he plays with Tanev agian.

So I'd peg his deadline value at a late first, or maybe a 2nd round pick.

So clearly you don't give Seattle a second not to pick him, would be too tight.

If it's a 4th? Maybe you do.

But the bigger risk to me is the Flames are then close (not really in it to win it, but close), hold on to him to see him walk in the summer and lose the 4th rounder anyway (which I guess isn't a huge cost for a gamble).

Can't see the Flames pre planning a down season and a deadline sell off anyway to be honest.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Pretty sure that’s not allowed but not 100 percent on it.

I can pretty much guarantee it...pretty much

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can pretty much guarantee it...pretty much

Yes! Was hoping I didn’t have to green text it hahaha, cheers Poe!

[dammage79]

I don't much like the variables in the scenario. Because the Flames will very much likely be in the hunt but not quite in it and lose him for nothing. I mean, it'd be the nail in Trees coffin many ppl want. 5 coaches and lose your decade long top pairing with nothing in return? The story writes itself.