The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You are confusing public with public sector and continue to blur the lines between the two. Some of you need to detach the former from the latter when talking about public goods.

I'll use another crayon here though - I agree, no government owns this thing. A social media platform should be beyond any one government or corporation. It should be a public realm utility that is supported and maintained in a way that keeps the lights on and ensure the proper standards are in place, as defined by the appropriate industry and community leaders.

You meana public company like Facebook/Meta? Because that is a whole other disaster of governance, and that's without even touching the rampant misinformation.

[Fuzz]

We really just need a new protocol, like TCP/IP is for networking, or POP and IMAP for email. No one owns those. Anyone can make a program for a web browser or mail client. A Twitter like protocol where anyone can make a reader/tweeter interface would be fine. You could set your own filters, sorting algorithms etc. Unfortunately someone has to actually build/pay for the protocol.

[Ozy_Flame]

Slava - Nope. I mean the tool is a public realm tool, and has a caretaker organization to keep the lights on and stable. How the rules are arranged are done by a regulatory organization, and should be based on industry and community best practices for digital public platforms. This would include setting direction on things like infrastructure, compliance, personal privacy and security, UI and UX standards, API management, etc.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We really just need a new protocol, like TCP/IP is for networking, or POP and IMAP for email. No one owns those. Anyone can make a program for a web browser or mail client. A Twitter like protocol where anyone can make a reader/tweeter interface would be fine. You could set your own filters, sorting algorithms etc. Unfortunately someone has to actually build/pay for the protocol.

I agree, this would be a good idea and sort of what I am getting at too. Something that is technical and everyone just uses as a conduit as an industry standard.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Lanny is correct. The government is one of the biggest sources of misinformation. They should be the last entity we should trust to regulate ANYTHING where truth & fact is important.

That's not at all what I said. I said the government has become a less trustful source on certain issues, thanks to the "national security" catchall defined by the Patriot Act. The "government" - meaning the departments and services available through that public body - is still the most trustworthy source of information available. Where things go sideways is where politicos stick their noses in the operations of departments and start injecting their political bias on information dissemination that should be fact-based (see Donald Trump and the path of hurricane Dorian). There needs to be a wall between the operations of government and the politics of government. For the most part this is handled well, but sometimes politicians have to grandstand.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We really just need a new protocol, like TCP/IP is for networking, or POP and IMAP for email. No one owns those. Anyone can make a program for a web browser or mail client. A Twitter like protocol where anyone can make a reader/tweeter interface would be fine. You could set your own filters, sorting algorithms etc. Unfortunately someone has to actually build/pay for the protocol.

How would that differ from the ####show we currently have?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We really just need a new protocol, like TCP/IP is for networking, or POP and IMAP for email. No one owns those. Anyone can make a program for a web browser or mail client. A Twitter like protocol where anyone can make a reader/tweeter interface would be fine. You could set your own filters, sorting algorithms etc. Unfortunately someone has to actually build/pay for the protocol.

This just made me feel like the core of Twitter is just a massive reply-all style mailing list.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Wormius

This just made me feel like the core of Twitter is just a massive reply-all style mailing list.

It's a BBS with push notifications and a user-friendly interface. Hopefully don't have to explain what a BBS is...

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's a BBS with push notifications and a user-friendly interface. Hopefully don't have to explain what a BBS is...

We can wait a few days for our penpals to respond over fidonet, and have regular fundraising drives to pay for the sysop’s phone bill.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593619483968479232

Musk’s “hardcore” email doesn’t legally bind Europeans so they are just ignoring it

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

How would that differ from the ####show we currently have?

Musk wouldn't own it, and users would control the algorithms.

[Flames0910]

Isn’t Mastadon the open, distributed protocol you’re looking for?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593619483968479232

Musk’s “hardcore” email doesn’t legally bind Europeans so they are just ignoring it

The email itself wasn’t binding. It had a new contract to accept or your are fired with 3 months severance

Now whether the 3 months severance is sufficient in different jurisdictions is another question. The employee can argue they are still carrying out the duties of their old employment agreement and therefor can’t be fired for cause .

Also , whether the new contract is legally binding could be in question, but without a new one your effectively getting laid off / fired

Elon didn’t say “this email changes your employment agreement and if you don’t adhere your fired for cause with no severance “

[rubecube]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593662040702218240

[rubecube]

Apparently he's reinstated Jordan Peterson. I'm actually pretty excited for this news because watching JP routinely self-destruct on twitter is a guilty pleasure.

[afc wimbledon]

Well the world cup starts this weekend which would massively increase pressure on the platform anyway, my guess is it will fail about 10 minutes into kick off

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We really just need a new protocol, like TCP/IP is for networking, or POP and IMAP for email. No one owns those. Anyone can make a program for a web browser or mail client. A Twitter like protocol where anyone can make a reader/tweeter interface would be fine. You could set your own filters, sorting algorithms etc. Unfortunately someone has to actually build/pay for the protocol.

I'm definitely not knowledgable or tech savvy enough to understand much about these types of things but isn't RSS essentially what you are talking about?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm definitely not knowledgable or tech savvy enough to understand much about these types of things but isn't RSS essentially what you are talking about?

No, RSS is just a protocol for polling from a source. You wouldn't be able to send something like a tweet command through it. Could you create a poor implementation of a twitter like protocol through it? Maybe, but it's not really the tool for the job.

After looking into Mastadon more, it is the protocol I was describing. I think it's debatable whether it is a good enough implementation of the idea, but it's definitely the right direction. There all always going to be tradeoffs without a central command.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

After looking into Mastadon more, it is the protocol I was describing. I think it's debatable whether it is a good enough implementation of the idea, but it's definitely the right direction. There all always going to be tradeoffs without a central command.

Agreed. I don't know that Mastadon is a perfect solution. IMO, it tries too hard to be Twitter instead of something new. Looking at their github issues and some of the decisions they've made (search, emoji reactions, even the lack of a recommendation algorithm) has me thinking they're a little too dogmatic about some of their technology beliefs — rather than trying to make a less bad search they simply throw out search altogether.

It might be a good stopgap that leads us to the next big thing though.

[Ozy_Flame]

I think something like the Fediverse is good start to changing the paradigm. Mastadon is one of those participating in Fediverse technology.