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Old 12-29-2019, 01:34 PM   #1361
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Looks like LiVARpool is going to hang on here.
No surprise really that the year where the Refs are technologically forced into finally calling a fair game that Liverpool are finding resounding success.
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The good news is that they say these things even out over the course of a season. The second half should be interesting from that point of view!
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Old 12-29-2019, 02:21 PM   #1363
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The good news is that they say these things even out over the course of a season. The second half should be interesting from that point of view!
Whats to even out? The Liverpool goal was good any way you look at it and, unfortunately the Wolves goal was off-side.

I mean, offside by that guy's Five-O'Clock shadow....but offside.

The calls were the best kind of correct.

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Old 12-29-2019, 02:29 PM   #1364
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It will be interesting to see if they make some sort of change to the way VAR rules on offside, I don't think there are that many people fully happy with how it's applied. I think there is just too much room for error to call it so close. They should probably build in a margin of error.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:58 PM   #1365
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They need to change or drop Var... at minimum let anything close go and the call on field stand unless it is clearly offsides.

These armpit and arm cells are genuinely ruining games and taking goals and excitment away and there is no plus side for the game.

Or if it stays at least come up with a line that can be applied more cleanly and objectively. Like a foot or boot that everyone can see creating a black and white standard. Or some other body part that is part of the core (like the head) they can apply a line to cleanly. Preferably not an upper extremity you can even use in soccer which is nonsense and does not confer any advantage. And certainly not an armpit you cant even see or define

Palace dropped 2 points yesterday because Mariner who hates Zaha historically, was in the Var booth and drew a line of Zaha's armpit marginally (like maybe an inch or two) ahead of the other player. And it was literally a guess of where his arm ends and his body begins. It was absolutely ridiculous and totally subjective.

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I think every fan can unilaterally agree that offside, especially in terms of VAR really needs to be redefined.

I mean, its patently unfair in some cases....if that was Guendouzi or David Luiz their afros would be offside constantly and in Luiz's case probably plays attackers onside unfairly.
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:38 PM   #1367
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The rule should have always been the opposite anyways.

If any part of your body is in line with the defender it’s onside.

Once your entire body is past then it’s offside, eliminates all those really close calls.
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The rule should have always been the opposite anyways.

If any part of your body is in line with the defender it’s onside.

Once your entire body is past then it’s offside, eliminates all those really close calls.
How would that eliminate close calls? You'd still have just as many plays where a heal is millimeters on or off.
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I think k they should have to watch it back at an agreed upon speed and if they can't determine that a player is offside, it's fine. That takes care of things that are egregious and just missed, but also gets rid of the stupidity. They apply this extremely precise standard to the line where the player's offside today, but there is still flex as to when the ball is struck for the pass...it's just foolish.

And as Matty says above, it's ruining games. You see an excellent pass or passage of play and as a fan you want to get excited and cheer a goal. Only to find out someone might have been a millimeter offside somewhere in the buildup? It's beyond ridiculous. There is no advantage in that, and it's against the spirit of the game IMO.
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Old 12-30-2019, 02:12 AM   #1370
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My favorite thing is all the announcers or pundits saying var is ruining the game

When 2 years ago they would look at these offsides plays that were missed by millimeters and rag on the refs for failing the game
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My favorite thing is all the announcers or pundits saying var is ruining the game

When 2 years ago they would look at these offsides plays that were missed by millimeters and rag on the refs for failing the game
I don't think anyone was clamoring for offsides to be called on players 1mm over though? It was always the play where somehow a player was a foot offside and it was missed.
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How kind of agent Raiola to mention his player will accommodate his contractual obligation.
He’s such a bloody virus.
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That said, with contract expiring in 18 months (+12 month club option), next summer is when his value will be highest. $125m? He’s been injury plagued the last few years.
Just too much noise around him.
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How would that eliminate close calls? You'd still have just as many plays where a heal is millimeters on or off.
Because forwards are so good that it’s usually pretty close to being onside, just an arm or so is offside.

Feel like also determining if a player is completely offside by a hair with Greenspace between the defender and him just seems more fair than trying to determine if his armpit is offside by a mm.
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Old 12-30-2019, 10:07 PM   #1374
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My favorite thing is all the announcers or pundits saying var is ruining the game

When 2 years ago they would look at these offsides plays that were missed by millimeters and rag on the refs for failing the game
I knew it was VAR! Even when it was the refs I knew it was VAR!!

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Good lineup from Spurs this morning. But Mike Dean with Anthony Taylor working VAR could mean disaster!
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Danny Ings winning the golden boot is an unexpected plot twist on the season.
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Danny Ings winning the golden boot is an unexpected plot twist on the season.
His goal was a nice one today. I don't get this Spurs team. When you look at the lineup it's overall good with some excellent pieces thrown in. It's not that there are no weak links, but they should be better than they have shown this season. They just don't perform though, and while we had a season or two of over achieving, this is pretty far under achieving I think.
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I am starting to feel like relegation might really beckon for West Ham. Can Moyes pull them out of the fire again? I'm not so sure.
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Well, Bournemouth look like they had a wild NYE. West Ham is running over them!
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If either of Shaw or Lingard set foot on the pitch for the second half then OGS deserves every bit of criticism that follows.
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