[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by ah123

My fear is that someone might throw an offer sheet which will mess up with Flames' cap in future years; something like a 2 year deal, first year 4M, second year 9M. This would mean that the Flames would have to qualify him at 9M after the second year.

An offer sheet could definitely happen, but it isn't something to be afraid of. Dougie Hamilton actually has to sign an offer sheet for it to matter. Would he start off his career with the Flames in such a manner? Perhaps, but unlikely since all we have heard is that his agent has a great working relationship with the Flames and the Flames feel very comfortable in their ability to sign Hamilton.

At the end of the day, unless the Flames were trying to low ball him, I don't see why he would want to start his tenure with the Flames like that.

[Gaudfather]

Not sure what all the hand wringing is about - Treliving was astute enough to pull off this trade so I certainly trust him to get a contract done. Patience grasshoppers!

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by ah123

My fear is that someone might throw an offer sheet which will mess up with Flames' cap in future years; something like a 2 year deal, first year 4M, second year 9M. This would mean that the Flames would have to qualify him at 9M after the second year.

How much variance can deal have year to year? I am not sure it can jump that much.
If a team wants to avoid having to pay the premium price on Hamilton, they want a cap hit of max 7.3M on max 5 years.
So for a 2 year deal that would be 14.6M total salary.
Depending on how much that can rise year to year would impact the max that could be in year 2 to make that a tough qualifying offer.

I think the offer sheet will be the implied threat if negotiations stall - be reasonable with our client or we pursue an offer sheet. I doubt it comes to that

[Vinny01]

I just do t see Dougie even entertaining an offer sheet from other teams. From what we have heard it appears he didn't want to stay in Boston long term but was very happy to get moved to Calgary where he joins a young core and deep blueline. The Avs, Oilers or whoever can tender an offer sheet but I do not see Hamilton signing it. The organization made a play to get him and he wants to be here. A deal will be done perhaps today or shortly after the Gio extension which I anticipate being announced tomorrow

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just do t see Dougie even entertaining an offer sheet from other teams. From what we have heard it appears he didn't want to stay in Boston long term but was very happy to get moved to Calgary where he joins a young core and deep blueline. The Avs, Oilers or whoever can tender an offer sheet but I do not see Hamilton signing it. The organization made a play to get him and he wants to be here. A deal will be done perhaps today or shortly after the Gio extension which I anticipate being announced tomorrow

If somebody offers $9m over 5 years he'd be dumb not to sign

[polak]

At this point I'm starting to worry.

Now I'm starting to wonder if his salary demands are higher than anticipated and what that spells for us. Sure worst case scenario, offer sheet and we get an extra pick but still.

[CliffFletcher]

I'm not worried about an offer sheet so much as the impact Hamilton's contract will have on Monahan and Gaudreau. If he gets six years at $7 mil each, why shouldn't they skip bridge contracts too and go for the big dough in their next contracts? Gio will be at over 7 by then, and who's to say Bennet won't want in at the same level. How many $7 mil players can this team afford?

[shogged]

Originally Posted by polak

At this point I'm starting to worry.

Now I'm starting to wonder if his salary demands are higher than anticipated and what that spells for us. Sure worst case scenario, offer sheet and we get an extra pick but still.

me as well. it would be so calgary to pull off a great trade and then have the player never suit up for the team lol

[RM14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not worried about an offer sheet so much as the impact Hamilton's contract will have on Monahan and Gaudreau. If he gets six years at $7 mil each, why shouldn't they skip bridge contracts too and go for the big dough in their next contracts? Gio will be at over 7 by then, and who's to say Bennet won't want in at the same level. How many $7 mil players can this team afford?

If those 5 get $7 Million contracts. Still leaves $36 Million to work with.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ah123

My fear is that someone might throw an offer sheet which will mess up with Flames' cap in future years; something like a 2 year deal, first year 4M, second year 9M. This would mean that the Flames would have to qualify him at 9M after the second year.

But if the Flames decline to match, the team that signs him will also have to qualify him at 9M after the second year, or see him walk. Nobody is going to give up a pile of draft picks just to get Hamilton for two years.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

At this point I'm starting to worry.

Now I'm starting to wonder if his salary demands are higher than anticipated and what that spells for us. Sure worst case scenario, offer sheet and we get an extra pick but still.

Starting to worry?

My lord, some of you never end with the worrying, it's non stop.

The guy has been a Flames four days, that's not a long time to bang out a potentially long term contract. The Flames and Hamilton's group couldn't speak until he was Calgary property.

Just take a deep breath.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Starting to worry?

My lord, some of you never end with the worrying, it's non stop.

The guy has been a Flames four days, that's not a long time to bang out a potentially long term contract. The Flames and Hamilton's group couldn't speak until he was Calgary property.

Just take a deep breath.

Must be a lot of bald dudes with ulcers in here.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Starting to worry?

My lord, some of you never end with the worrying, it's non stop.

The guy has been a Flames four days, that's not a long time to bang out a potentially long term contract. The Flames and Hamilton's group couldn't speak until he was Calgary property.

Just take a deep breath.

You see but now I'm so elated that it's confirmed that it's worth the worrying.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Well, that's one way to spin it. I suppose another way is he signed hours later shows how silly your baseless worrying was in the first place.

[OBCT]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But if the Flames decline to match, the team that signs him will also have to qualify him at 9M after the second year, or see him walk. Nobody is going to give up a pile of draft picks just to get Hamilton for two years.

This exactly.

If a team offers him a 2-year $19 million offer sheet (or longer), the Flames shouldn't match it. They should take the 4 consecutive 1st rounders and move on.

It would suck to lose Hamilton in such a fashion, but oh well, you can't supply impulse control to other teams.


In reality, I would be rather surprised if he is offered over $8 million per season by anybody; in which case, it's probably a moot point as I suspect the Flames to match any offer <$8 mil AAV (arguably, depending on term --- speaking of which, does anyone know if the team with RFA rights have any leeway regarding term when matching an offer sheet? ... I've never fully understood how the AAV and term work in such instances).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by OBCT

This exactly.

If a team offers him a 2-year $19 million offer sheet (or longer), the Flames shouldn't match it. They should take the 4 consecutive 1st rounders and move on.

It would suck to lose Hamilton in such a fashion, but oh well, you can't supply impulse control to other teams.


In reality, I would be rather surprised if he is offered over $8 million per season by anybody; in which case, it's probably a moot point as I suspect the Flames to match any offer <$8 mil AAV (arguably, depending on term --- speaking of which, does anyone know if the team with RFA rights have any leeway regarding term when matching an offer sheet? ... I've never fully understood how the AAV and term work in such instances).

You should read some other threads. We've got some news...

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Well, that's one way to spin it. I suppose another way is he signed hours later shows how silly your baseless worrying was in the first place.

Yeah it is baseless, I'll agree. I wish I was a more optimistic person.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Anyone care to step up and explain yourself?

I already did. The trade was an overpayment vs. the alternative (an offer sheet).

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by SebC

I already did. The trade was an overpayment vs. the alternative (an offer sheet).

How so?



If Hamilton signed an offer sheet for the deal he eventually signed and Boston did not match, it would have been a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Flames essentially upgraded the 3rd pick to another 2nd rounder to remove the Bruins opportunity to match.

The upgraded pick also allowed them to perhaps sign Hamilton to a more reasonable cap hit as a $5.75 per deal was only slightly higher than what Boston was already offering and likely would have been matched. A much larger cap hit would have likely been needed to prevent Boston from matching.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

How so?



If Hamilton signed an offer sheet for the deal he eventually signed and Boston did not match, it would have been a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Flames essentially upgraded the 3rd pick to another 2nd rounder to remove the Bruins opportunity to match.

The upgraded pick also allowed them to perhaps sign Hamilton to a more reasonable cap hit as a $5.75 per deal was only slightly higher than what Boston was already offering and likely would have been matched. A much larger cap hit would have likely been needed to prevent Boston from matching.

Was just checking that the Flames had their 1st 2nd and 3rd for 2016... and the Flames have not traded away or acquired any draft picks for 2016 according to wikipedia...

Is that correct?

Would they have to have given their 2015 picks? (which they had going into the draft)