[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The 51st OA pick in the 2017 draft most likely gets you a prospect with more question marks than Jankowski right now.

And those questions won't be answered until 2020 or 2021 at the earliest.

The best you're hoping for with a mid/late second rounder is a guy like Granlund or Wotherspoon. It has been four full seasons since they were drafted, and neither of them has yet to solidify himself as a full time NHLer (although both appear to be headed down the right path).

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Nothing that you posted shows a single thing about Wiesbrod power-tripping. At most it implies he was very high on the player, which was never denied.

In your own quotes, look how many times the word "we" pops up.

Of course if Weisbrod is the person being interviewed, a story is going to be slanted from his perspective.

Does it say at any point "some scouts disagreed with me, but I went ahead and did it"?

Does it even say "We had a few guys we were considering, but I liked Jankowski best?

Your "sources" are articles everyone has read before. They simply do not say John Weisbrod selected Mark Jankowski. They only prove that Weisbrod was one of the people who liked the player in the organaztion. Are you really trying to argue that because the player the organization selected was a player that a person within the organization liked, that one person selected the player overriding an entire scouting staff including the Head of Amateur Scouting?

And yes, Weisbrod didn't think the player would make it past the first round, because Weisbrod was privy to discussions within the Flames organization. How does that prove your UNFOUNDED implication that the rest of the scouting staff i.e. Tod Button thought the player would have been there at #42 or that there was a better player available according to Tod Button and his staff?

You are being absolutely ridiculous in singling out Weisbrod as the guy who drafted Jankowski. He scouted the player and he liked the player a lot. So did a LOT of other people in the organization, including Todd Button and a few other guys.

Along with being asst. GM, Weisbrod was the Director of Scouting.

Watch this, it's evident that Weisbrod made the choice. "At the end of the day, it was up to me to make the call."

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...sole?id=182588

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What particular limiting aspect of his game defines that ceiling?

Probably his NHLe. Getting to the top line requires close to elite level scoring. Now, maybe he'll score more in the NHL than in junior, and I have heard the suggestions that his linemates are inferior, but why is there any assumption that he will pass guys like Monahan or Bennett?

[FlameZilla]

I agree with the people who say he reminds them of Colborne. Big bodied C with soft mits.

He does remind me of Nieuwendyk in a way, mostly because of his frame. Once he fills out he'll be completely NHL ready.

That being said, I expect him to spend a year or 2 in the AHL, adapting to the pro game, before he makes the NHL roster. By then I expect he'll be competing with guys like Backlund, Colborne, Arnold and Shore for the 3rd or 4th line C roles.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What particular limiting aspect of his game defines that ceiling?

He could be a little better offensively, but that's the only thing I think he needs to work on. That, and he needs to get bigger to frame out his big body.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Along with being asst. GM, Weisbrod was the Director of Scouting.

Watch this, it's evident that Weisbrod made the choice. "At the end of the day, it was up to me to make the call."

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...sole?id=182588

Does that show Wisebrod power tripping? Which is what you quoted.

[Sylvanfan]

I do notice that Janikowski is one of the youngest guys on his team despite the fact that he is a 3rd year player at that level. At this point it would appear that his offensive game may not develop to the level hoped. But a big bodied center who's good at faceoffs is a player that never goes out of style. From what I remember Joel Otto was pretty crucial to the Flames success in the 89 cup run. Janikowski isn't a clone of Otto by any stretch, but if he can be adequate offensively and be a stalwart in his own zone, he's still useful.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Does that show Wisebrod power tripping? Which is what you quoted.

I was concerned with this part of his post. You can call it what you want.

Your "sources" are articles everyone has read before. They simply do not say John Weisbrod selected Mark Jankowski.

My link says John Weisbrod in his own words, did select Jankowski.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by getbak

And those questions won't be answered until 2020 or 2021 at the earliest.

The best you're hoping for with a mid/late second rounder is a guy like Granlund or Wotherspoon. It has been four full seasons since they were drafted, and neither of them has yet to solidify himself as a full time NHLer (although both appear to be headed down the right path).

Or you could get Kucherov.

[Caged Great]

Jankowski is almost guaranteed to be a better prospect than whomever the 2017 2nd round pick would be.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Or you could get Kucherov.

No one is probably going to make that mistake of letting a player of Kucherov's caliber fall that low, not when how bad the KHL is looking now.

[Red Ice Player]

Turning a 2012 mid first round pick into a 2017 mid second round pick that might play in the NHL in 2020 at the earliest, eight years after the 2012 draft, would be a downright incompetent use of a nice asset. How much would someone have to hate this player to even suggest this as an option? I watched the Frozen 4, and I observed that Janko played fantastic hockey in the biggest games of his life. And he is a big defensively sound center, a desirable asset in the NHL. He will be a Flame, and a good one, and we won't have to wait until 2020. But keep on preaching about how you hate the pick but wish only the best for Janko....but keep reminding us why you hate the pick...

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

I say if we end up with a 6'4" 225lb center who can skate, and is good in the faceoff dot, we end up alright.

Especially if he wears #29...

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

Turning a 2012 mid first round pick into a 2017 mid second round pick that might play in the NHL in 2020 at the earliest, eight years after the 2012 draft, would be a downright incompetent use of a nice asset. How much would someone have to hate this player to even suggest this as an option?

Its not really hate, we just turned a 2011 early first round pick into a 2015 mid 2nd round pick.

If his upside really is 3rd liner, just curious if the draft next year was deep enough that it might be worth it to re-roll the dice.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

No one is probably going to make that mistake of letting a player of Kucherov's caliber fall that low, not when how bad the KHL is looking now.

Ya your right, he will probably be the last steal in the 2nd round ever.

[Badger Bob]

So, does he still qualify as "Freakin" Jankowski?

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Ya your right, he will probably be the last steal in the 2nd round ever.

No, but now you're turning that mid-first round pick into a second and HOPING for a steal.

Using outlying examples of the norm doesn't make for a solid position... Next you'll be advocating getting a 7th so we can take the next Zetterberg.


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[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Its not really hate, we just turned a 2011 early first round pick into a 2015 mid 2nd round pick.

If his upside really is 3rd liner, just curious if the draft next year was deep enough that it might be worth it to re-roll the dice.

I don't see how anyone could say "upside of 3rd liner" at this point, though I suspect he might be the 3rd line centre of the flames. He certainly has the tools to be a VERY good 3rd line centre, one that creates nightmares for the opposing coach in trying to find someone to match up against him.

Remember, hockey isn't about scoring lots of goals, it's about our scoring the other team. Jankowski seems like he'll be a player who can prevent the other team from scoring, AND be able to provide a bit of offence himself. Winning teams need those kinds of players on their 3rd lines.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

No, but now you're turning that mid-first round pick into a second and HOPING for a steal.

Using outlying examples of the norm doesn't make for a solid position... Next you'll be advocating getting a 7th so we can take the next Zetterberg.


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Where did I say anything about not signing Jankowski for a 2nd?

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Its not really hate, we just turned a 2011 early first round pick into a 2015 mid 2nd round pick.

If his upside really is 3rd liner, just curious if the draft next year was deep enough that it might be worth it to re-roll the dice.

I like to think big picture as much as the next guy, but eight years before getting an NHL game out of a first rounder? No thanks. Allowing Jankowski his senior year, plus a full year in the AHL, will have him starting his NHL career in the fall of 2017, a physically mature 6'4'' 215 lb center who can skate and is good at faceoffs. He'll be an NHL veteran by 2020. Or tell him to get lost and grab a second round pick in 2017. Sure..... I'm sorry, that sounds stupid to me.
Third line upside? You mean like in the NHL? We don't have much need in that regard...get rid of him.....