American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Dion]

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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Also, two people detained for the murder today and both released, so the killer is still out there.

What do all these bozos like to say when there is a school shooting? "False flag" | "Inside Job"
The rhetoric is coming from the White House, not this forum.

The former head of the local FBI field office was apparently near legendary-tier investigator. Unfortunately she was of Indian decent and was let go in the DEI purge.



Whoopsies.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Even if misled or factually incorrect on certain issues, Kirk put in the work the honest way from a young age and its not his fault that people flocked to him and resonated with his thoughts. He just did his thing. His influences were obvious. Not science based, sure, but many Americans share the same kind of background and beliefs.

Trying to muzzle or eliminate these individuals (who have as much a right to have a platform to speak as those on the other side of the ledger do) is objectively the wrong way to deal with people who see the world differently from us. And its not democratic.

The extent that I'd see eye to eye with him on things would be minimal based on the snippets ive seen, but I'm sure we could find some basic human values that we agree on. At the end of the day, regardless of party or platform, we all want things like security and prosperity for those we love, as well as comradary/community and openness with our neighbors.

He did appear to be strongly about having open communication with those with different viewpoints and saw building up walls as detrimental. At least thats something I can get on board with.

Hopefully his support base heeds some of that advice. If you want to honor the man, that's the best way to do it.

Don't let blind and generalizing hatred win out.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Vedder

I don’t know man, I just said that it’s bad that people are celebrating the death of an innocent man, which left two kids without a father, over political views and speech they don’t like. You’re the one who took exception to that.

Okay. But to be clear, the term "innocent" implies that he never did any wrong. I don't think that's true here. I gave my reasons previously.

And again, in case my subtext wasn't clear, political violence does not align with my ethics or worldview...like, at all. I'm taking exception to your eulogizing him simply because he has children. I'm taking exception because that doesn't make him exceptional. It's not a reason to mourn him because it has no bearing on his soul or humanity.

And...if I'm being honest (gulp), but I think it's important to be honest and say what is likely true... it might be a small mercy that these young children were spared being raised by someone so cruel and inhumane. They're probably going to be better off not knowing him as their father. Hate is taught. It is not a biologically inherited trait.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Also, two people detained for the murder today and both released, so the killer is still out there.

What do all these bozos like to say when there is a school shooting? "False flag" | "Inside Job"
The rhetoric is coming from the White House, not this forum.

I do hope they catch him soon. You don’t want someone out there shooting totally innocent people whose words definitely didn’t encourage others to oppress or victimize marginalized people, or caused people to lose access to medically necessary health care, or make hateful bigots feel empowered.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Vedder

I don’t know man, I just said that it’s bad that people are celebrating the death of an innocent man, which left two kids without a father, over political views and speech they don’t like. You’re the one who took exception to that.

I'd say that's the disconnect here. I don't see him as innocent, I see him as responsible for fanning the flames of hate. So much damage he's caused. Yeah, it sucks that children lost a father. It sucked more that their father was an absolute monster.

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think when you are shooting people for having different opinions. Or for wanting to debate said opinions your country is lost.

This isn't simply 'different opinions' it's not like he was advocating against zoning laws or changing education funding. He was pushing for white supremacy, removal of rights for minorities and LGTBQ people, said empathy was a weakness, kids that die in school shootings are worth it, etc.

This isn't a right vs left stance. It's a 'I don't like racist fascists' stance.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

I don't like political violence. Sadly the US crossed that threshold long ago.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

And...if I'm being honest (gulp), but I think it's important to be honest and say what is likely true... it might be a small mercy that these young children were spared being raised by someone so cruel and inhumane. They're probably going to be better off not knowing him as their father. Hate is taught. It is not a biologically inherited trait.

Really, must have been a great father and husband when he doesn't believe in empathy. They are better off with the $12 million that was apparently his net worth.

[Vedder]

Yes, many people here don’t see him as innocent because he said distasteful things and had views they disagreed with. But those views are probably shared by a quarter or more of Americans. It’s not an acceptable response to murder people because you disagree with what they say, in case that’s not obvious. That’s a great way to let society devolve into an authoritarian hell hole, cause guess what, the other side might feel the same way about some of your views.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by blazingZepplin

Im just saddened by the lack of compassion, not just for that person but for any human being. Just my observation overall to the classless post.

So you're saddened by the lack of compassion for a person murdered; who was famous for their lack of compassion for people (children) murdered?

[The Yen Man]

I feel like you are just arguing in circles at this point. Who said it was acceptable to shoot someone? We are just saying we don't really feel any sadness that it was him.that was shot. I'd say it's infinitely a better result that he was shot vs a bunch of innocent kids in a.school. This was the America he wanted. Was just poetic justice he was part of the side that gets to pay the price so others with his beliefs can continue touting the 2nd amendment.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Yes, many people here don’t see him as innocent because he said distasteful things and had views they disagreed with. But those views are probably shared by a quarter or more of Americans. It’s not an acceptable response to murder people because you disagree with what they say, in case that’s not obvious. That’s a great way to let society devolve into an authoritarian hell hole, cause guess what, the other side might feel the same way about some of your views.

I think we're past the point of no return. While I don't agree with people being killed for their political views, politics in the States has reached such a toxic level where a person shouldn't be surprised when shootings like this happen. The temperature needs to come way way down and politicians need to think first before espousing their radical views.

[icarus]

Another example of vigilanteism (if that's a word) being a huge, insoluble problem in the USA.

Whether the victim is a political firebrand, a schoolchild, a presidential hopeful, a parishioner, etc kinda doesn't matter. Anyone who doesn't like you or what you represent to them can make you a target at any time.

That's super sad and scary. I really have no intentions of visiting the US anytime soon, but I feel for its inhabitants and hope they can figure out how to make things better and not worse in the future.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So you're saddened by the lack of compassion for a person murdered; who was famous for their lack of compassion for people (children) murdered?

https://jumpshare.com/s/pfxFtQQrQaKoB0EqEh4w

[simmer2]

I think it's disgusting that some people on this thread are basically applauding this guys' death. He's a person with a family.

I have no idea who the guy is, never seen any of his stuff, but regardless...the minute you find yourself being happier someone is dead, it's time to take a long look in the mirror.

Or stop expressing your stupid opinion on a message board.

Or both.

Pathetic display.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Vedder

. That’s a great way to let society devolve into an authoritarian hell hole, cause guess what, the other side might feel the same way about some of your views.

Oh we're way past that point. This is a symptom not a cause

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I think it's disgusting that some people on this thread are basically applauding this guys' death. He's a person with a family.

I have no idea who the guy is, never seen any of his stuff, but regardless...the minute you find yourself being happier someone is dead, it's time to take a long look in the mirror.

Or stop expressing your stupid opinion on a message board.

Or both.

Pathetic display.

Maybe read what the guy was then, because like someone else said, I wouldn't have been upset when Goebbels or Himmler died either

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Yes, many people here don’t see him as innocent because he said distasteful things and had views they disagreed with. But those views are probably shared by a quarter or more of Americans. It’s not an acceptable response to murder people because you disagree with what they say, in case that’s not obvious. That’s a great way to let society devolve into an authoritarian hell hole, cause guess what, the other side might feel the same way about some of your views.

The US is already controlled by an authoritarian government. It’s early, but the evidence is all there. Trump is doing unconstitutional things, and congress and the Supreme Court are doing nothing to stop him. Authoritarian regimes don’t leave power without violence.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Yes, many people here don’t see him as innocent because he said distasteful things and had views they disagreed with. But those views are probably shared by a quarter or more of Americans. It’s not an acceptable response to murder people because you disagree with what they say, in case that’s not obvious. That’s a great way to let society devolve into an authoritarian hell hole, cause guess what, the other side might feel the same way about some of your views.

You don’t see the difference between him and somebody who just holds a similar opinion?

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by simmer2

*snip*

Simmer down.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Maybe read what the guy was then, because like someone else said, I wouldn't have been upset when Goebbels or Himmler died either

I like when Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, and Nate Phelps died. I will probably also feel some joy when Alex Jones or Andrew Tate or some of those Fox News sycophants croak too. The world is objectively better off without them.